Berzelmayr
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Remarkable said:
I think we can all agree on that...
Or can we?
Those who do not believe in the "Sang Real", presumably believe that the Grail is, in fact, a cup. If that is correct, where is this cup now?
I have it. 
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SirCryptex
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I agree that the holy grail is not a cup.
Perhaps the Holy Grail is forbidden knowledge. In that way it could tie in with the divine (or not so divine?) feminine, pandoras box and it could explain the coming of the end of this age. Or something like that.
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Radars
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The puzzles presented in the Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons intrigue me. Dan Brown gave a great explanation of how the Templars used cleverly disguised anagrams, and hid them in public places.
When I later read Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, I wanted to try more. I read about the mystery sculpture, a Reverse bas relief of a Poussin painting, at Shugborough House in England Unbreakable Code it says that the code can not be broken, its inscription DOUOSVAVVM could not be deciphered.
I tried to solve this puzzle and thought. What if the inscription was a Templar clue, a pointer to something else on the path to the grail?. Why was the bas relief done as reverse of the painting? Why was a casket added, what did it hide? There seemed to be a clue in another place, one with Templar connections and showing the "pyramid". It was a headstone with the date incorrectly carved.
It took me four hours to solve the puzzle using that approach. Here is my solution to the indecipherable inscription:
The Shepherd’s Monument Mystery – Solved.
I will not go into all of the references, they can easily be found on the Internet. I would suggest looking at the pictures of the objects mentioned.
Background Information (not in order)
Village of Rennes-le-Chateau is perched on a rocky outcrop.
Antoine Bigou miscarved the date MDCCLXXXI (1781) as MDCOLXXXI. He changed C to O (not a Roman Numeral). His uncle preceded Sauniere as abbot at Rennes-de-Chateau. Carved Headstone
Poussin painted Les Bergers d’Acadie (1635-50) – the title is French, Poussin was a Templar Grand Master. Poussin Painting
Sauniere discovered a parchment (1891) which read, in part, “Shepherdess…Poussin…KEY…” Quote:
Shepherdess no temptation. That Poussin [and] Teniers keep the key. Peace 681. By the cross and this horse of God. I finish off this guardian daemon at midday. Blue apples"
Location in the Poussin painting is Les Pointls, near Rennes-le-Chateau.
A reverse bas relief carving of Les Bergers d’Acadie, by Stuart is located at Shugborough house near Staffordshire England (1755) Reversed Carving
There are eight letters on one line of the bas relief, two letters on next line
Sauniere decoded the messages and found the Grail even though he was not a Templar initiate – he did not possess the esoteric knowledge thought to be needed.
Solution (Order of learning the clues is unimportant):
Poussin painted Les Bergers d’Acadie, it depicts a shepherdess. CLUE
Sauniere parchment refers to Poussin KEY # 1
Location can be determined now, if you have KEY #1, and access to painting.
Bas relief in England is a “REVERSE” of Poussin’s painting. CLUE
There are 10 letters on inscription, eight on one line. CLUE
Bas relief adds a casket obscuring view of Rennes le Chateau. CLUE
Bigou replaced C with O KEY # 2
To solve:
Read the word REVERSED (i.e. upside down and mirrored) Now, REVERSE what Bigou did - replace O with C in the eight-letter word.
The modified line now looks like:
AAVASCNC
This is an anagram, in French: "Ca Canvas” meaning (That Picture).The bas-relief in England is obscuring the location of the Holy Grail in France. You need to see the original painting to find the right location after you find KEY #2. D and M seem to be meaningless, outside the clue. This clue is pointing the way, a path to the grail.Done in classic Templar style.
Obviously
The Grail can be found without the bas relief, if you have KEY # 1
The Grail can be found without the parchment, if you have KEY # 2.
Next Puzzle to Look for: Do the carvings show a "Path to the Grail" similar to the "Path of Illumination" in Rome?" Both prominently show pyramids.
Casket shown in bas relief by Stuart (1755) has a pyramid on top of it.
Mis dated headstone by Bigou (1781) has triangular peak top (pyramid).
Is headstone of 1781 a replacement key for the 1755 bas relief? Where is the old key? ca 1755?
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A meaningful journey starts with a step in the right direction.
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andymonk
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I think the holy grail is many things,one being sacred geometry.
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researcher
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it might be a disk found at the bottom of this page...
http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/vatican_solution.htm
the same disc behind Christs head... a grail is also a plate.
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rebel_guy
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Wasn't the holy grail supposed to be a dish?
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TantraLaughter
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The Jesus troupe was gnostic, political, revolution oriented. If there ever was a Jesus in real life and it wasn't exclusively a myth borrowed from other cultures and manipulated by Rome for 50-280 years later, a cup would hold little value to such a group, no more than Jesus' toothbrush or iPOD.
The "Holy Grail" idea is far more than a cup. I think the Holy Grail is that purpose towards which a culture strives, in order to attain liberation, freedom, self-realization, self-determination, and a healthy society. Artifacts from those individuals who were on that path, would be therefore valuable. Mary Magdalene's bones, journals, and those of dozens of others, would be part of it, but the Holy Grail is not the possession of Israel, of France, of Glastonbury or of any religion, family lineage or clandestine group of any varying degree of power. Where are the bones of thousands of others, where are their journals? Go read the Gospels of Thomas, Mary and then "Meditations" by Marcus Aurelius and you'll get a razor sharp, direct view at the Holy Grail. But it will soon fade a little. You'll close the pages, go watch some TV, time goes on, you do go work, you're distracted, etc. Along the way you'll hear about the Tao by Lao Tzu, and other cultures such as the Celtic, African, Russian, Hawaiian, Indian, Chinese, etc. start indicating they too have had great hearts and minds realize the bigger picture, their facet of that big diamond called the Holy Grail. Then as you walk on the beach, a gull craps on your new shirt, you get all upset, throw rocks at it, and your ego is seen as the same little thing that pulls you away from the Holy Grail, and how it's right there in front of you 24/7, if you can just open yourself to it.
I think it's crazy to think that the Holy Grail starts with Jesus and Mary. Totally naive to think so. I can't see that they would want to start any such idea. It goes totally against the independence-loving cultures, the gnostics, the Egyptian, Greek and many other cultures. The Holy Grail was refreshed with the launching of the United States, as well as with, and more importantly, anywhere where democracy has taken hold. But look at all the horrible things that free countries, religions and cultures have launched on one another. Percival had to ask "what does the grail serve?", and the highest aspirations of a culture must be clear, or the Grail is lost once again. It's not a cup, but it contains something, so a cup symbol makes sense if you have no idea what it's really about, or have to hide it from usurpers or repressive regimes. The full reality of the Holy Grail needs to be discovered freshly once in a while, it can't be handed down too much or it becomes an unknown thing to those who are not assisting individuals or a society to their highest aspirations.
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Sol
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Hey, GREAT posting! Boy it's been a long time. Perhaps it means that we can resurrect some of our former fervor? There used to be some very interesting discussions here.
I totally agree that the "real Grail" would have to be something much more universal and all-encompassing than a legend associated with just one religion or group of people. In addition, based on the stories that reached us about Jesus and Mary Magdalene, it's just not reasonable that they would be concerned with something as mundane as placing "a descendant of King David" on some Earthly throne. Jesus' own words even as presented in the New Testament make it quite clear that he was talking about a "celestial" kingodm, not a physical one. He was definitely a revolutionary in the sense that he wanted to change the old regime, but not in order to create a new one.
I also believe that the Grail symbolizes Enlightenment, both on a personal and "national" level. So I fully agree that the Grail was "refreshed" as you say, when the US was founded, in fact I believe that the US was itself intended to be the Grail, a Bastion of Freedom and a beacon for the entire world, which it was from its inception and until about fifteen years ago.
Thusly all the recent talk on the Esoteric circle about the Grail being a physical flesh-and-blood descendant of Jesus and King David who wants to become some type of Worl Ruler today - is basically nonsense, intended as sand in eyes to throw all but the most dedicated seeker off the trail.
However, it also stands to reason that if some kind of a "Grail Brotherhood" existed since ancient times, whose charge it was to be an Instrument of Enlightenment in Mankind's dark times - it stands to reason that if such a group existed, some of them would've been blinded by the possible power at their command, and would've done what the legends say - gone over to the "Dark Side". They would've began using their position to satisfy their lust for riches and power, perverting the orginal purpose for which the Grail was intended. This particular Dark Side group also happen to be controlling our world today, simply by being the richest people in it. For them the Grail *did* become a wish to put somebody of a particular bloodline on a particular throne, what the Powerful of this world have occupied themselves with since the beginning of Kingship.
But hey, that's just them. We're not like that, so who cares. 
Cheers,
Sol
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