EVDebs
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Kt, the (Christian) eschatology's "False Prophet" looks identical to the Islamic "Mahdi". And the stuff about destroying the mosques on the Temple Mount has always been fodder for rousing the Muslim's ire. Have you read the Graham Hancock book The Sign and The Seal ? Great read ! I'm a Christian btw and the only reason I dropped out of Masonry in the early 80's was because I just couldn't memorize the ritual they were having me do; I just got to the Entered Apprentice level. My dad wasn't too thrilled since (he knew) I'd be 'blackballed' and he was a 32nd degree mason but hadn't been to a lodge meeting since I went through the initiation rite. He was a past master of his lodge and had committed to memory I Corinthians 13. Also, certain things like the Lion's paw grip were things he'd practice on us kids but he just called it "The Claw !" and laugh. Now you can just go on the web and read the rituals etc on Duncan's Masonic Rituals etc. I found the writings of John J. Robinson, now deceased, who was a former Marine who got very interested in the medieval world and began writing about the KT and linkages to modernday Freemasonry.
That's a little bit more about me. I've seen miracles happen and also some things that probably shouldn't have happened ... life's funny that way. Live and learn is what it's all about.
Here's some stuff I found regarding John Hagee and his 'Christian Zionism',
THE OTHER GOSPEL OF JOHN HAGEE
--CHRISTIAN ZIONISM AND ETHNIC SALVATION
http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm
Ktmason, carry on 'good and faithful servant'.
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ktmason
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Yes, I know.
But please, no Hagee. I live in San Antonio. He avoids me since he predicted the end of the world in 1998 (in 1994) and I confronted him on it in a hospital one day--in 1999, while he trying to sell $2 "prayer shals" (pardon my spealing) for a "donation" of $20.
Blessings at this Holy time of year!
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KTMason
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EVDebs
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Great article on Hagee's Christian Zionist movement,
An Atheist Goes Undercover to Join the Flock of Mad Pastor John Hagee
By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted May 5, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/rights/84043/
trying to 'hurry God up'.
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EVDebs
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More on the lovely Rev. Hagee,
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/23/hagee-katrina-mccain/
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Digital_Fortress
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i know that i'm new to this board and that these discussions have beening going for quite a while but i have to disagree. i don't think DB is going to give up on his career... he seems to love it way too much to just throw his hands in the air and say no.
yes, DVC will extremely hard to follow up and that's what's taking so long! he has to make people want to read his new material... i don't know, i just think that the long wait is part of the plot. 
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ktmason
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Sorry, EV, but ya know, that article was bad news right from the beginning. From the title, to the wording along the way, the author HATED the people he was writing about, and there was just no way I was going to believe it. There was NO reporting there, just a SLAM on the Christian faith. I think Hagee is a con man also, but the article was a slam on the FAITH, NOT just Hagee. Rolling Stone (I have an ACTUAL copy of the first issue--yep, me was a Hippee back then) always was against religion, and I should have known going in. Hank Hanagrath has a better article on him if I can find it. You know, its FUN for some to tear down Christians, they dont fight back. Let someone say something bad about Jews or Islam though....OMG!!! how terrible! I am NOT saying you did it for that, but that is how some will take it!
Blessings~
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Arras
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ktmason said:From the title, to the wording along the way, the author HATED the people he was writing about, and there was just no way I was going to believe it. There was NO reporting there, just a SLAM on the Christian faith.
Certainly the author was biased, but he made that clear from the beginning by expressing those biases in the prologue. He explained that he was an atheist who wanted to get a peek behind the curtain of an evangelical Christian event "to understand the mindset that gave us eight years of George W. Bush." No reader should have had any illusions about the author's objectivity--it was clearly intended to be a very subjective piece, a chance to see things through his eyes. Nothing wrong with that; with his biases confessed up-front, we were given all the context we needed in order to interpret the rest of the article.
In a sense, it was just as revealing about the author's mindset, since of course the events he witnessed were perceived through that lens. The people he met over the course of his assignment almost certainly saw things differently, and that's precisely the point of a subjective piece: to contrast perceptions.
As for the article being "a slam on the Christian faith", I think that damage assessment is a bit too broad. My sense was that it was evangelical Christian sects in particular that the author was holding up for contempt, not Christianity as a whole. He was noting in particular that these sects take advantage of people who have hit rock-bottom in their lives, rebuilding them as unquestioning zombies insulated from reality by a thick armour of Christian ritual. In suggesting the dangers of this kind of psychological abuse, I never got the sense that he thought all Christians were victims of this sort of brainwashing. His concern seemed to be limited to the evangelicals, and Hagee's group in particular.
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