Belfegor
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Hi EnglishMajor,
Thanks for that, cheers.
Peace and Respect, Greg
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Arras
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EnglishMajor said: The reason I take this personally is that Brown is a neighbor of mine and I know him to be a very decent and honorable person. Indeed I was around during the research and writing of this book and know there was no plagarism of Perdue's books.
You're bearing witness to Mr. Brown's character, then, but we don't really know how to frame that in any objective context, do we? We have only your claim that you're his neighbor, that you know him personally, and that he presumably trusts you well enough to reveal any plagiarism to you if he'd committed any (or are you saying that you vetted all of his research for him, as any good neighbor would offer to do?).
As the saying goes, "on the Internet, no one knows you're a dog," and it's trivial for anyone to make the claims you've made here, without any further support. My adopted sister's cousin's nephew's teacher's dog's groomer saw someone on a TV talk show who has a psychic connection to Dan Brown, and knows he didn't plagiarize anything. It's true! 
If the proof (one way or the other) is out there, I'm sure it's a closely-guarded secret, worthy of a forthcoming Dan Brown thriller. Here's how it would probably go: The NSA, still pissed at Brown for spilling the beans about ECHELON and digital wiretapping in Digital Fortress, has been digitally wiretapping all of his e-mails since then, so they've got the goods on him, but they can't come forward without revealing how they got the evidence. The NRO still hasn't gotten over Deception Point, and has been using not-yet-invented satellite technology to peer through the roof of Brown's house to catch him in the act (with a standby Delta Force team ready to plant evidence in his study if necessary), but of course they don't want the Chinese to know these satellites exist, so they've got to keep quiet. The Vatican, meanwhile, still feels exposed in the wake of Angels & Demons, and has been using the Pope's special connections to tap God's omniscience in order to divine the necessary evidence and tell Opus Dei where Brown keeps his Secret Stash of Self-Incriminating Material, but since "I saw it in a vision from God" doesn't hold up in the secular courts, it's a non-starter. Not to be outdone, the Priory of Sion wants a piece of the plagiarism suit, alleging that Brown used the Dossiers Secretes in The DaVinci Code without permission; all they have to do is exist, and admit it. Doh!
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EnglishMajor
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Reged: 12/21/04
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Arras -
The fact that claims on weblogs on the internet typically can't be verified is probably not a big surprise to anyone who hasn't been under a rock for the last decade. So I'm not sure your point there adds anything useful to the discussion. Anyway, most of us are used to the fact that ad hominem attacks like yours are the common tool of those without anything constructive to say on the merits of the argument.
In any case, whether I'm who I say I am or not is really irrelevant. What matters is that Lewis Perdue's case has been found to be nothing but hot air, and yet he still hurls daily personal slurs at Mr. Brown to sell his own books.
Regardless of who I am, that's wrong. Because I am who I say I am, it makes me angry.
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Arras
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EnglishMajor said: The fact that claims on weblogs on the internet typically can't be verified is probably not a big surprise to anyone who hasn't been under a rock for the last decade. So I'm not sure your point there adds anything useful to the discussion.
Actually, that rather is my point. The fact that your claims of personal knowledge of Dan Brown cannot be substantiated is precisely why they do not "add anything useful to the discussion." If your identity cannot be verified, those claims have no value in this context, and should never have been introduced into the discussion.
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Anyway, most of us are used to the fact that ad hominem attacks like yours are the common tool of those without anything constructive to say on the merits of the argument.
I question the usefulness of the "evidence" you brought forth to defend Mr. Brown, and you label that an ad hominem attack? Good grief. The point I was trying to make is that in such an unverifiable context as the online world, you need to stick to objective, verifiable evidence in making your case. Saying that you're a good friend of Dan's and that you know he did or did not do something is asking us to take a lot on faith, when we have no idea who you are.
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In any case, whether I'm who I say I am or not is really irrelevant.
Precisely, so your (alleged) relationship to Dan Brown has no place being used in your arguments to defend him. Continuing to tell us what a great guy your (alleged) neighbor is is an attempt to sway us to your side of the argument with an unsupported claim. "Anyone who hasn't been under a rock for the last decade" ought to expect such claims to be questioned, and therefore avoid making them in the first place.
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Arras
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EnglishMajor said: So Random House, under the prospect of unending smear from this guy, sued him, essentially saying, "Look, for once and for all, put up or shut up. If you think Dan Brown plagarized, will you please prove it?. But stop using a personal smear campaign just to sell your books".
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I don't remotely object to lawsuits to redress wrongs. What I do object to is the constant and relentless personal attacks on Brown's integrity as a person.
[...] Perdue's conduct through this has been reprehensible, immoral, and now that he's been essentially laughed out of court, transparent to all. At no point has any authority of record found even the slightest bit of truth or even plausibility to his claims, yet Perdue relentlessly continues his personal smears . The man has no decency whatsoever. It's despicable, in my opinion.
Mr. Brown would seem to have an obvious remedy at his disposal, in the form of a libel suit against Mr. Perdue, if he feels that his character is being unjustly defamed. Statements made by Mr. Perdue under oath during the plagiarism trial are protected under "absolute privilege," but statements he makes on his weblog do not enjoy that protection. If Mr. Perdue is making accusations against Mr. Brown that are provably false, a court can be asked to at the very least issue a cease-and-desist order, if not a claim for damages. Statements of opinion may or may not be protected, depending on the jurisdiction, and whether the statements imply facts. Based on what you're saying here, Mr. Brown should consult a lawyer and investigate his prospects for pursuing a libel suit.
To reword your own phrase a little, Mr. Brown should be told, "Look, for once and for all, put up or shut up. If you think Lewis Perdue is saying libelous things about you, will you please prove it? But stop using your anonymous friends to smear Lewis Perdue for you in public forums."
To be clear, I'm an advocate only for the devil; I'm not in anyone's camp. I personally don't believe that Mr. Perdue had much of a case against Mr. Brown. I also believe that if libelous claims are being made (by either party), they ought to be dealt with properly in a court of law, and not by counter-smear campaigns in public forums.
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AAnnAArchy
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And it begins again:
Upcoming 'Vanity Fair' Article Raises New Issues About 'DaVinci Code' Author
By E&P Staff
Published: June 06, 2006 11:45 AM ET
NEW YORK Controversy in the press surrounding "Da Vinci Code" author Dan Brown, just beginning to fade, will likely revive later this week when the July issue of Vanity Fair hits the stands. According to an advance copy, the magazine's contributing editor Seth Mnookin alleges -- in a massive article titled "DaVinci Clone?" -- two new instances of possible plagiarism in Brown's past. Two textual analysis experts also tell him they believe Brown borrowed the plot for his book from Lewis Perdue's "Daughter of God."
The two libel experts say they are convinced Brown borrowed heavily from the Perdue book, despite Brown's recent victory in court. John Olsson, the director of Britain's Forensic Linguistics Institute, said, "This is the most blatant example of in-your-face plagiarism I've ever seen. It just goes on and on. There are literally hundreds of parallels."
Brown did not respond to requests for comment from Vanity Fair.
Mnookin also cites an incident in which Brown copied for "The DaVinci Code" an exact passage from the paper "Leonardo's Lost Robot," written by robotics expert Mark Rosheim. Brown's publisher, Doubleday, said it was covered under fair-use. Rosheim says, "Every now and then I'll be giving a talk and someone will come in with The Da Vinci Code and ask me to sign a copy. Either that or they'll accuse me of copying him."
Finally, Mnookin offers evidence that he says may link Brown's wife, Blythe, to a spate of "mysterious" e-mails that Perdue has received, coming from one "Ahamedd Saaddodeen."
The lengthy article mainly follows the trail of Perdue's legal case. Mnookin reveals that Perdue first contacted him in 2003. Mnookin wrote a brief item about the dispute for Newsweek in June, 2003.
The new Vanity Fair article concludes with Perdue's words: "Sometimes it's hard not to feel as if I'm going crazy."
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EnglishMajor
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An example of America at its worst. His case is a sham, but he keeps up his attacks because it's the only way he knows to get anyone to read his books!
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Dazzle
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EnglishMajor said: An example of America at its worst. His case is a sham, but he keeps up his attacks because it's the only way he knows to get anyone to read his books!
Yadda yadda. Source please!
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AAnnAArchy
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Looks like this is the last gasp. ------------------ 'Da Vinci Code' author wins in US Supreme Court The high court declined to hear a case alleging the bestseller used material from a California author. By Warren Richey | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
A thriller writer from California has lost his bid to prove in court that Dan Brown, author of "The Da Vinci Code," illegally used his book as a template for the best-seller. "The Da Vinci Code" is one of the fastest selling adult novels of all time with more than 60 million copies snapped up by readers worldwide. How Mr. Brown wove his tale of religious intrigue and deception into an estimated $1 billion publishing and motion picture bonanza is a mystery to many envious writers.
But author Lewis Perdue claims to know part of the secret to Mr. Brown's success. In a lawsuit, he accused Mr. Brown of using his 2000 book "Daughter of God" as a kind of blueprint for "The Da Vinci Code," misappropriating not only the central idea from his book but much of the plot, characters, motivations, and fictitious history and theology. He sought $150 million in damages.
A federal judge and a federal appeals court panel in New York dismissed Perdue's lawsuit. And on Monday, the US Supreme Court declined to take up Perdue's appeal.
Perdue isn't the only author claiming to see striking similarities between their own work and Brown's blockbuster money-maker. Some literary experts agree.
Two authors of a 1982 book, "The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail," filed a copyright infringement suit in London claiming Brown stole the essence of their book and used it for his own. A judge threw out the suit in April saying the central themes in "The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail" were too general to warrant copyright protection against Brown's novel.
In addition to the London case, a lawsuit was filed in August in federal court in Springfield, Mass., by John Dunn, author of the 1997 book "The Vatican Boys." He is asking a judge to order Brown, his publisher, Random House, and the motion picture companies Columbia Pictures and Sony Pictures to pay him $400 million in damages. The suit says Brown misappropriated "constituent elements" of his book such as its structure, patterns, characters, settings, thematic expressions, timing, and narrative sequences.
Lawyers for Brown have not yet responded to Mr. Dunn's suit. Their written response is due Tuesday.
The Da Vinci Code has spawned international controversy. Although the book is a work of fiction, some religious authorities have expressed concern that readers might embrace it as fact.
The book presents ideas that challenge a male-centric view of Christianity, highlighting instead the concept of the "divine feminine." It portrays Mary Magdalene not only as a trusted apostle of Jesus, but as his closest confidant and wife. This assertion is heresy to many Christians.
Brown acknowledged during the London trial that his wife, Blythe, conducted most of the research for the book. He said they used 39 books and hundreds of documents in preparation.
The precise issue at the Supreme Court wasn't the merits of the copyright dispute. Instead, lawyers for Perdue wanted the high court to decide whether the federal judge in New York who heard Perdue's lawsuit should have allowed the introduction of two expert assessments of the alleged infringement before deciding whether to toss out the suit.
US District Judge George Daniels ruled that the test is whether an "average lay observer" would find that the works to be substantially similar. Judge Daniels read the books and announced that he found no substantial similarities that would amount to a violation of copyright laws.
"It is a principle fundamental to copyright law that a copyright does not protect an idea, but only the expression of an idea," Judge Daniels wrote in his opinion. What is protected is the precise form in which an author presents the idea, not the idea itself, the judge said.
The judge acknowledged that Perdue's book and Brown's book shared common topics and themes. "All these similarities, however, are unprotectable ideas, historical facts and general themes that do not represent any original elements of Perdue's work," Daniels wrote.
Perdue's lawyers disagreed. "The claim is not that the original work was copied word-for-word," wrote Donald David in his brief to the high court. Instead, he said, "As the expert affidavits demonstrate, Brown took substantial elements of Perdue's novel, appropriated them as his own, and profited greatly from doing so."
Lawyers for Brown say the two books are different. "Da Vinci Code is a suspense novel built on complex puzzle clues, several of them connected to Leonardo Da Vinci's art," wrote Brown's lawyer Elizabeth McNamara. "In sharp contrast, Perdue's "Daughter" is a shoot-em-up thriller, involving Nazis and Russian mafia."
But others say those differences are only cosmetic.
One of Perdue's experts, Gary Goshgarian, an English professor at Northeastern University in Boston, found a correlation between 10 generic elements of both books. "When several generic elements in different novels fall into similar patterns, the whole effect transcends the generic and appears to be purposeful, non-accidental and suspicious," Professor Goshgarian's analysis says in part. He says that the similarities "create the suspicion that Brown, in 'The Da Vinci Code,' copied from Perdue's 'Daughter of God.' "
The other analyst, John Olsson, a forensic linguist, prepared a 12-page analysis of the two works. "I believe in this document I have given significant evidence of the overwhelming infringement of Mr. Perdue's book by Mr. Brown," he writes.
At issue in the Supreme Court appeal was whether the judge should have considered such expert analysis before ruling. The nation's appeals court judges disagree. Five appeals courts - including the Second US Circuit Court of Appeals in New York, where Perdue's case was heard - have ruled that such expert input is not permitted in such cases. Six other appeals courts - including the Ninth Circuit in California, where Perdue lives and works - permit introduction of expert assessments.
Perdue's lawyers had asked the Supreme Court to resolve the split between the circuit courts so the country could operate under a single rule for the use of expert testimony in copyright cases. If they had won on that issue, Perdue's lawyers would have asked for a full trial on whether Brown violated copyright laws in writing "The Da Vinci Code."
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