EVDebs
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Ash, Arras
I came across this re the Barrick's / Bush connection
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=24397
which repeats a Palast series of articles showing that there IS a Barrick/Bush connection ('by their fruits ye shall know them') along with an interesting litigiousness, which seems to have frightened off most MSM establishments from publishing further. Canadian named Munk along with Saudi Koshoggi added to the mix.
Also, keeping with the point of this thread, I came across this article:
9/11: Wild Conspiracies and Rational Concerns
By Joshua Holland, AlterNet. Posted June 5, 2006.
Even when you cut through the conspiracy theories about 9/11 and head straight for the facts, the government's version still seems fuzzy.
http://www.alternet.org/story/37046/
The many loose ends and discrepancies, too many really, lead me to the same conclusions drawn by Monterey Defense Language School's Lt. Col. Steve Butler, who wrote a letter to the editor of a local newspaper stating those beliefs, and was subsequently pushed out of the military for mentioning the flight training of the hijackers being at US military bases.
Air Force officer disciplined for saying Bush allowed September 11 attacks
Hijacker attended US military school
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/ISA206A.html
Edited by EVDebs (06/05/06 01:40 AM)
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Sol
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Yo wassup, glad to see you's all still hanging out here. I thought we've basically exhausted everything we had about DB, so I came by now actually wanting to write a short letter of goodbye and thanks to these forums for giving us a chance to have all those highly involved discussions before. Echoing what I told my English teacher back in school - "I learned lots in here".
I was very happy to see the old gang still carrying the torch! We should keep it up. Sadly I don't have anything extremely pertinent to add just now, but I should warn you that you'll probably see me jumping back in no time  .
Best regards,
Sol
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ash
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Arras
Its good news if this Bush connection is false.As it is too many powerbrokers have too many resource abuse connections.Crux of the fact is One Nation consumes 80% of the world resources and in spite of being a democracy the voters themselves are confused with the whole electoral process.If they have rational minds on top its good for others too.
As far as Eco's writing goes ,I dont think there is anyone's vested interest .Its what I call not my type.I would prefer good old fashioned British writers like Sir Arthur /Jane Austen .Even Americans like Tony Morrison.For research/facts/history I would rather read non-fiction...I am used to reading quite heavy stuff about environmental issues,global warming etc.,that will nowhere near come a fiction novel.And Eco afterall wrote them as novels.You see Ayn Rand with all her philosophy is far more readable.And a book like The Wild Swans by Chang Jung much more hardhitting family memoir than 100 years of solitude.
EV had quoted Gandhi many times. I believe in his defination of a good book.A book that is written with short sentences,simple language and holds attention is a good book.Arras some of the extremely technical books hold attention more than Name of Rose.
No Hard feelings as I said some like Eco and Some dont .Maybe he is liked because he packages history as a novel.My only say is dont laugh at Dan while praising him.
Ashini
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ash
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Sol Old Buddy
You are right ,actually we are writing the same old things again.
By the way answer mails atleast there are interesting topics going other than DB
Ash
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Arras
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ash said:
Its good news if this Bush connection is false.
Well, to be precise, all the Snopes folks are pointing out is that George H.W. Bush is not currently on the board of directors of Barrick. In other words, that one specific fact stated in the petition is incorrect. That does not mean that there's no other connection to George H.W. Bush or other members of the Bush family. It's entirely possible, for example, that they may be shareholders in Barrick, or that they stand to gain in some other way from Barrick's success.
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No Hard feelings as I said some like Eco and Some dont.
None taken, Ash I certainly wasn't trying to suggest that Eco should be everyone's favourite author, any more than I would dare to tell people they should prefer cheesecake to angel-food cake--one is richer and denser than the other, but they're both deliciously satisfying in different ways
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Sol
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EVDebs wrote:
"Many British expatriates, who were Scottish Jacobites and living in France during the early 1700's, took an active part in high degree Freemasonry there and saw in its symbolism some hope for their political aspirations of a return of the Stuart to the thrones of England and Scotland. Because of its Stuart sympathies, it has been suggested that the Jesuit College of Clermont also had a hand in the development of the high degrees[citation needed]." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite
What's happening EV,
You have a lot of fascinating info there as usual. The Jacobite connection to the establishment of the Scottish Rite and the "higher degrees" should definitely be looked into. If they saw hope for the Stuart restitution in Masonic symbolism - this would tend to vindicate the theories of HBHG and Laurence Gardner that the Stuarts indeed WERE the hereditary Guardians of the Grail (and this could have relevance today.)
You are the one that got me interested in the Jesuit connection in the first place, and I'm finding it amazing how ubiquitous it is. Here's a site that claims John Darby, the "Father of Futurism", was merely spewing Jesuit dogma: http://www.reformation.org/five-deadly-jesuits.html . Though this is obviously a "Fundamentalis-ranter" site, the information is likely reliable. Does this mean that the whole "return to Zion" doctrine was a Jesuit ploy to use Israel as a patsy? I shudder to think.
I think you may enjoy an article I've put up recently about that very strange cross found on Temple Mount last summer (which I tried to get you interested in before.) My tentative conclusion was that this mysterious "pagan" artifact is in fact likely to have been Jesuit: http://www.book-of-thoth.com/article1535.html . I'd very much like to hear your thoughts about this, as I can't help thinking this cross has a lot to do with the founding of Modern Israel and your "Third Temple" people.
Regards,
Sol
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ash
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EV,Sol
Who are Jecobites
Ash
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Sol
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Hi Ash,
Here are a few explanations of "Jacobite":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobitism
"Jacobitism was (and, to a very limited extent, is) the political movement dedicated to the restoration of the Stuart kings to the thrones of England and Scotland. ... The movement took its name from the Latin form Jacobus of the name of King James II and VII. Jacobitism was a response to the deposition of James II and VII in 1688 when he was replaced by his daughter Mary II jointly with her husband and first cousin William of Orange."
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/housechu/semitic.htm
"The term "Jacobite" derives from a Merovingian fable that the stone upon which the Patriarch Jacob slept was an anointed Stone of the Covenant which determined the legitimate kings of Scotland and England. These kings were believed to be lineal descendants in the messianic bloodline of Jesus Christ, as explained in [Laurence Gardner's] "Bloodline of the Holy Grail."
And here is a very interesting article for advanced students of these subjects:
http://www.themasterofspeech.com/shugboroughhall.html
"One theory is that the Jacobite Masons created the Cryptic [Scottish] Rite. ... the Stuart exiles living in France in the early 1700's, sometimes called 'Jacobites' from the Latin form of the name for James, were involved in Freemasonry. Some Masonic lodges in France and Italy were made up completely of Jacobites, and the grandson of James II, 'Bonnie Prince Charlie' was definitely an active Mason."
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ash
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No but again two questions here
1) Did succession of Mary II happen inspite of her having a brother? Because in British Royal House a female succession to throne happens only when Male member in not there.
2) If indeed she did not have a brother ,how Stuart line can make a comeback?
Also was not William of Orange also king of Scotland or am I getting confused here?
Ash
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ash
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Last questions withdrawn after reading your links.
This is very much up Dan's Alley.
Also much linked with your idea of catholic conspiracy
But how does this connect to Freemasonary? Any Links on that?
Ash
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