TahoeT
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Why would there be chaos without religion? Methinks there's chaos BECAUSE there's religion.
Religion does not cause chaos. People cause chaos. You can always point fingers at religion, but the simple fact is is that people do dumb stuff to themselves and people around them. Religion does not make people steal/kill/rape/lie etc...
For the most part, no, it doesn't. But it also doesn't make them NOT do any of the above.
What it does do (in the Christian sense, anyway) is to give them an *out* for doing it... One can blame it on The Devil, temptation, the fact that they're just "a sinner" and "imperfect." One can blame all of one's faults on that little aspect - and then ask forgiveness and all is well... It totally removes any sort of personal responsibility for one's actions.
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TahoeT
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Thruth>>>Scientifically stating, there has to be a beginning to everything physical in nature, requiring this universe, time, place, galaxy, even the two entities that banged together to have a definite beginning.<<<
Then it makes sense to think that "god" needs a "beginning," as well...
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TahoeT
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Radical beliefs, yes, but I think blaming religion is using a "straw man" argument. Not all religions are violent--in fact, almost none are. it's the fanatcs who go too far that are a problem.
Sure it's "the fanatics." But they're *RELIGIOUS* fanatics! And if you look back into the history of religions, they virtually all have an element of violence about them. Sure, the Christian religion speaks of love thy neighbor, but it also preaches an eye for an eye...
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TahoeT
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We only hear about the radical ones. The general 99 percent are perfectly peaceful
I dunno about that. If nothing else, they give tacit approval to what's being done in their name.
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Radical beliefs, yes, but I think blaming religion is using a "straw man" argument. Not all religions are violent--in fact, almost none are. it's the fanatcs who go too far that are a problem.
Yes, it's the fanatics...the religious fanatics. You don't see gardening fanatics strapping bombs to themselves.
LOL! I wish I had read ahead here... Well said!! 
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TahoeT
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I think that the problem is that there is so much ignorance and fear that they are dangerous domination tools. Some people need religion to find some sense to their lives and they accept everything without questioning and the same happens lots of times with science.
They're both tools for domination, yes. But I think people use religion for "finding sense to their lives" because it's there and it's easy. without religion, people would ahve to think for themselves - and they're far too lazy to do that.
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TahoeT
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A law is something that is made to keep peace. If you break the law, you are supposed to be punished. The Christanity version of punishment is Hell. If the way of life outlined in the bible was a law, we would all be condemend so far into hell that there would not be a point in trying to be good.
Life is very easy to imagine without organized religion. Humans did it for ages and were pretty well off. Now, of course, they didn't have the technology we have today so who knows how it would effect modern life.
A law is something for the controling group to keep the minority group in check. There are a bazillion laws on the books that are there for no other reason than control. Some old, more added daily.
As for using the bible as a 'way of life..." heck, no matter what one does, one could find an excuse for or against it. It's the great ambiguous book.
Religion has been used for control going back several thousand years BCE, from the Egyptians to the Christians of today. I don't think technology really has anything to do with it. Religion kept power because it controlled knowledge. Religion still tries to censor information today, but it's more widely available than ever before. Still, people believe what they want to believe - regardless of the facts.
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Sephia
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First of all, I'd like tot remind all that religion is not =Christinaity. in fact, religion > Christianity. So, when was the last time those crazy Buddhists blew something up? The Hindus? The Jews? In terms of christians, the last time the RELIGION was behind it was the crusades, unless you count Hitler, and he had other reasons.
Can everyone here live w/o religion? Some can, but many want something to hold on to. maybe its jeuvenile, but it helps in this often cruel world.
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AAnnAArchy
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Yeah, but when was the last time a crazy suicide bomber wasn't religious?
All orthodox religions try to control their minions - what they can and cannot do, who they should donate money to, who they shouldn't befriend, who they don't want to have legal rights, etc. Religion is behind just about everything Bush does...and he admits it.
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Gawhd
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I wouldn't say the jews havn't blown some things up. Israel is a bees nest right now. A bees nest with the technology of the US Military
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