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theHistorian
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: TahoeT]
      #7584 - 04/26/06 09:14 AM

how about both. science just makes this world as complicated as religion. we're screwing this world up with out fossil fuels and nuclear plants, and wars (which are fought with weapons made by science) then religion screws the world up because every religion tries to push its views and opinions on everyone and if you don't agree then you are ostracized by them or more fanatical religions terrorize and kill other people of other religions.plus, what are most wars started by?....religion. I think both science and religion are sending the world to hell in handcart. the thing is for science not to be so destructive and progressive (how about using money for making new weaponry for curing diseases) and how about religion stop pushing their views on everyone. Wasn't it the Bible who said that god let his children make their own choices. Its not that we should stop pursuing the progression of science or religion its that we should be using both of them for betterment of humankind. this is the only earth we have. we should try to make it last as long as we can.

Anyway, sorry about my rantings....sooooooo...who's excited about the Da Vinci Code movie?

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ALVARO
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: AAnnAArchy]
      #7694 - 05/18/06 01:35 AM

WORLD OF RELIGION AND THE WORKLD OF THE SCIENCE ARE NOT SOMETHINH OPPOSITE OR SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DIVIDED
WORLD WITHOUT FAITH NOT RELIGION WOULD BE AWFUL
SOP ON YOPUR QUESTION WICH SHOULD BE PUT IN SOME OTHER WAY BECAUSE THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT ONE
IWOULD CHOOSE:

that although being scientist myself i would rather live in the world without science

cheers

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ALVARO
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: TahoeT]
      #7695 - 05/18/06 01:38 AM

so then you would rather live in the world where people do not harm each other because of their intolerance but not in the world withou an religion

and besides H bomb there are: research on human embryos (not ethical), possible cloning of human being (awful), huge farmaceuticval industry which does not launch real cures for some deaseases and so on

do you think that science can solve questions like:
who we are? where do we come from - before conception? where do we go? (after birth)? does suffering has sense? and so on
cheers

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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: ALVARO]
      #7699 - 05/18/06 05:01 AM

<<do you think that science can solve questions like:
who we are? where do we come from - before conception? where do we go? (after birth)? does suffering has sense? and so on>>

Yes.

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8549176320abc
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: theHistorian]
      #7771 - 05/23/06 05:53 AM

Quote:

theHistorian said:
we're screwing this world up with ... nuclear plants



What?

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Governments offer us safety for our freedom. It is by seeing this safety as false that we are freed.

Edited by 8549176320abc (05/23/06 05:54 AM)

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goliah
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: TahoeT]
      #7778 - 05/23/06 09:35 AM

How about religion that meets all the criteria for testable truth that science demands? I don't even think Dan Brown could have imagined what is quietly spreading on the web. Check this ebook review [no copyright] I found being discussed at another forum: Very serious stuff!

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Published only on the web and distributed freely as a pdf download, made up of twenty nine chapters and three hundred and seventy pages, this new teaching has nothing whatsoever to do with any existing religious conception known to history. It is unique in every respect.

Using a synthesis of hundreds of scriptural elements from the Old and New Testaments, the Apocrypha , The Dead Sea Scrolls,The Nag Hammadi Library, and some of the worlds greatest poetry, it describes and teaches a single moral LAW, a single moral principle and offers its own proof; one in which the reality of God responds to an act of perfect faith with a direct, individual intervention into the natural world; making a correction to human nature by a change in natural law, altering biology, consciousness, human ethical perception, and providing new, primary insight and understanding of the human condition.

Also called the Gospel of the Resurrection, this new interpretation reveals the moral foundation of all human thought and conduct and finds expression within a new covenant of human spiritual union, the marriage [Hieros gamos] between one man and one woman. It resolves the most intractable questions and issues of human sexuality and offers possibilities for peace, health, healing and cultural development political process has yet to dream of.

This new teaching is pure ethics. It requires no institutional framework, no churches, no priest craft, no scholastic theological rational, costs nothing and ‘worship’ requires only conviction, faith and the necessary measure of self discipline to accomplish a new moral imperative.

As the first ever religious teaching able to demonstrate its own efficacy, the first ever religious claim to knowledge that meets both the ideal and criteria of the most rigourous, testable scientific method, this teaching enters the public domain as a reality entirely new to human history.

The beginnings of an intellectual and moral revolution are unfolding on the web. And anyone trying to imagine where solutions to the worlds most difficult conundrums will come from, may comprehend from this material, the catalyst that might very well define the very future of humanity and the earth itself!

Download links: http://www.energon.uklinux.net
http://thefinalfreedoms.bulldoghome.com

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Theology only exists because nothing has been revealed.

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SephiaModerator
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: goliah]
      #7797 - 05/24/06 11:49 PM

Is this based on Jesus or Immanuel Kant?

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da_nick_code
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: Sephia]
      #7949 - 06/04/06 08:44 PM

i think religion is pointless and only causes trouble also there are more atheists everyday. i think in one hundred years religion will no longer exists.

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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: da_nick_code]
      #8000 - 06/07/06 08:21 AM

I doubt it. As long as there are things science can't explain, religion will exist. Also, as long as science is not enough for us to feel like our lives have meaning, there will be religion.

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da_nick_code
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Re: Religion vs Science new [Re: Sephia]
      #8007 - 06/07/06 06:01 PM

Sephia the way science is progressing in one hundred they will be able to prove god doesn't exist and more to diminish religion.

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