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      #7965 - 06/05/06 01:37 PM

I heard a rumor some where that The Solomon Key will be the last book in the Dan Browns Langdon universe and in doing so rounding it off as a trilogy. So...

Question #1: Has anyone else heard about this?

Question #2: Are there any other historical conspiracies and/or secret groups that Mr. Brown could use for a fourth book?

Question# 3: Since his other Langdon books are my favorite books of all time...should I be crying about the possibility that this could be the last Langdon story? (And hey! Don't judge me! Real men can cry when its called for!)

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #7989 - 06/06/06 07:35 PM

I've never heard about this rumor. Where did you read that?
I sincerely hope that it's not true. I want more than three Langdon books!
I had heard that Brown had about 12 other book projects about Langdon.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #7997 - 06/07/06 04:00 AM

I sincerely hope that there will be more than 3 Langdon books too. Life will not be complete if the last Langdon book will be out by the time i'm 22. What will i do for the other next 1,000 years of my life? (yeah, by the way, I am immortal). Vanora, do you know the subjects of any of the other Langdon projects?

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8026 - 06/08/06 11:33 PM

No, i don't know. I have only heard that one Langdon book could be about Mozart (accordingly to some people, he belonged to the FreeMassons).

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #8027 - 06/09/06 02:29 AM

Hey, I'm game with that. More Langdon books, means more kick ass reading!

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8032 - 06/09/06 11:40 AM

I heard the 12 book thing also, but I do not remeber him saying that was all for robert langdon. it could mean other books also.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: CMWarren]
      #8035 - 06/09/06 02:52 PM

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I heard the 12 book thing also, but I do not remeber him saying that was all for robert langdon. it could mean other books also.




Thats true. I didn't think about the fact that Dan Brown might write other books with other characters other than Langdon. Hah! It's gotten to the point where Langdon is my favorite lit character of all time that i can't think of Dan Brown writing other books with different characters.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8043 - 06/09/06 10:52 PM

I'm sure he spoke about 12 Langdon books, not 12 other characters books.
But, wait and see...;-)

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #8045 - 06/10/06 09:27 AM

12 books, all with the same character? I doubt it. Even Anne Mccaffrey doesn't have that many books on one character.

I mean, how many adventures can a 40-year-old college professor have in one lifetime?

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: MaliciousMonkey]
      #8046 - 06/10/06 11:11 AM

Very ture MaliciousMonkey. I think twelve would be stretching it. I think their could be 3 or 4 more without the whole things becoming tired. Hopefully next time Langdon wont get a phone call in the middle of the night...etc, etc. I think DB needs to add some variety into the mix - keep it interesting.

EDIT: Sorry I can't spell today. Their/There... What's wrong with me?

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: bankjc]
      #8047 - 06/10/06 11:41 AM

I agree about mixing it up a little. And I'd much prefer Vittoria and/or Sophie to make an appearance (and play an important role) in the story rather than introduce yet another female character to partner up with him.

And maybe Dan Brown could, just this once, resist starting the book off with a murder?

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: bankjc]
      #8049 - 06/10/06 03:34 PM

See, its weird with me. One part of me wants it to stay the same (the murder, meeting a new Langdon-girl, etc.). I guess I like the routine. But another part of wants a little bit of variety. But, it is dan brown and I'm thinking the book is going to be phenomenol so I'm not complaining either way

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8050 - 06/10/06 06:29 PM

Me too i would like to see Sophie or Vittoria back. Langdon meeting another girl would be quite boring maybe.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #8053 - 06/10/06 08:00 PM

but it always seemed that the new girl is important to the revelations within the book.

in a way, Da Vinci code could be said to be about sophies discovery about the truth of her family, as much the revelation of the truth about the holy grail.

and the vittoria, it was about her discovering about the reason and who murdered her father.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: CMWarren]
      #8056 - 06/10/06 08:49 PM

I didn't particularly like Vittoria. Not sure why, just didn't. I loved Sophie so I would welcome her back with open arms. But I agree with CMWarren - the girl seems to be pivotal to the plot, she fills the holes in Langdon's logic.

I read the DVC before Angels and Demons. While I enjoyed A&D probably more so than the DVC,when I think of Robert Langdon I instantly think of Sophie (not Vittoria). Maybe that has something to do with the marketing of the film or popularity of DVC, I'm not sure.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: bankjc]
      #8058 - 06/10/06 09:46 PM

Yeah, it's true that the girls are directly linked to the plots of the books. But Sophie or Vittoria could be linked, in a way or another, to the plots of the next books. I don't know.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #8066 - 06/12/06 11:08 AM

my friend thinks it is time dan brown writes a guy into the picture, elemenate the whole romance side of the plot, and do something knew.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: CMWarren]
      #8069 - 06/13/06 12:45 AM

Won't happen. You got to have a female equal/ love interest in books like these where the main character is male. Its the way things go. One of my other favorite writers, Clive Cussler, does the same thing. And its not that its a bad thing at all. In my opinion its quite the opposite. For a book with a strong female lead (i.e. Deception Point) I'd expect a male counterpart to go a long with her. Sometimes it may seem a little sexist but this is the world and ideologies of books, movies, TV shows, etc. that we live in.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8074 - 06/13/06 03:40 PM

I'm not sure I agree with that. I agree it probably wont happen but I dont think a female equal is needed. At least I dont think there needs to be any kind of romantic relationship between the two.

I dont know if anyone has read Donna Tartt's Secret History or not, but Richard (the narrator) chases after Camilla who is the only female in a group of four or five males. I enjoyed the times that Richard was with the other male characters more so than when he was with Camilla. I think that romantic relationships sometimes get in the way of a great story. I don't read romance novels - if I wanted a romance, I would.

Plus there is nothing wrong with close male relationships - plattonic or otherwise. It would be nice if there was another 'good' male character in his novels. There seems to be a heavy reliance on the male to be the villian - ie, Teabing, Silas, Aringarossa, Fache in the DVC alone.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: bankjc]
      #8077 - 06/13/06 04:06 PM

(Spoiler warning just in case) Angels & Demons had some male secondary protagonists. Olivetti, despite his disposition, was not exactly evil, same with Kohler. Though you do have a good point there.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: bankjc]
      #8085 - 06/14/06 01:27 AM

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I'm not sure I agree with that. I agree it probably wont happen but I dont think a female equal is needed. At least I dont think there needs to be any kind of romantic relationship between the two.

I dont know if anyone has read Donna Tartt's Secret History or not, but Richard (the narrator) chases after Camilla who is the only female in a group of four or five males. I enjoyed the times that Richard was with the other male characters more so than when he was with Camilla. I think that romantic relationships sometimes get in the way of a great story. I don't read romance novels - if I wanted a romance, I would.

Plus there is nothing wrong with close male relationships - plattonic or otherwise. It would be nice if there was another 'good' male character in his novels. There seems to be a heavy reliance on the male to be the villian - ie, Teabing, Silas, Aringarossa, Fache in the DVC alone.




That's a perfect example. You mentioned romance novels. What gender is the almost 99.99999% that writes romance novels? Women, of course! And, they're main characters is always a woman, whether she be a wench on a pirate ship waiting for some buccaneer to save her from the evil pirates, or a peasent girl who is saved by the prince, or whatever other scenario you can think of. You expect there to be an opposite gender partner. Man partner if a woman is the main character. Woman partner if a man is the main character. Also, in Dan Brown's Langdon books I don't think there was really any romantic feelings and/or sayings between Langdon and Vittoria/Sophie until the end and if there were they were really vague and I don't remember them. I hope I don't sound sexist because I'm definitley trying not to be. It's just the way people are and how most readers expect it.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8090 - 06/14/06 08:33 AM

I'll agree that the next langdon-girl will be some pivotal plot-point character, with veiled romantic hints involved. I wish it wasn't so.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8094 - 06/14/06 03:21 PM

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I'm not sure I agree with that. I agree it probably wont happen but I dont think a female equal is needed. At least I dont think there needs to be any kind of romantic relationship between the two.

I dont know if anyone has read Donna Tartt's Secret History or not, but Richard (the narrator) chases after Camilla who is the only female in a group of four or five males. I enjoyed the times that Richard was with the other male characters more so than when he was with Camilla. I think that romantic relationships sometimes get in the way of a great story. I don't read romance novels - if I wanted a romance, I would.

Plus there is nothing wrong with close male relationships - plattonic or otherwise. It would be nice if there was another 'good' male character in his novels. There seems to be a heavy reliance on the male to be the villian - ie, Teabing, Silas, Aringarossa, Fache in the DVC alone.




That's a perfect example. You mentioned romance novels. What gender is the almost 99.99999% that writes romance novels? Women, of course! And, they're main characters is always a woman, whether she be a wench on a pirate ship waiting for some buccaneer to save her from the evil pirates, or a peasent girl who is saved by the prince, or whatever other scenario you can think of. You expect there to be an opposite gender partner. Man partner if a woman is the main character. Woman partner if a man is the main character. Also, in Dan Brown's Langdon books I don't think there was really any romantic feelings and/or sayings between Langdon and Vittoria/Sophie until the end and if there were they were really vague and I don't remember them. I hope I don't sound sexist because I'm definitley trying not to be. It's just the way people are and how most readers expect it.




In romance novels, yes ofcourse you would expect a male counterpart. But thats not what I'm saying. While I agree that in many novels that kind of thing works and is needed, but I think Dan Brown novels are above that kind of thing. The story/mystery is the best part, not any bourgeoning romances.

Perhaps the relationship is less evident in DVC, but in Angels and Demon's I would say it definately is. Hate Vittoria... not sure why, just do.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8095 - 06/14/06 06:08 PM

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You got to have a female equal/ love interest in books like these where the main character is male.




That's not necessarily the case; it really depends on what purpose the author needs that "partner" character to serve. There are certainly a lot of male-male "buddy" and "mentor" stories out there--it's almost a whole genre unto itself, really.

In Brown's novels, however, he just uses the partner character as a surrogate for the reader, and not as a love interest or a "buddy." The main requirement for this partner is that he or she not know much about the subject areas that Brown wants to teach the reader. The partner thus becomes Langdon's "student," asking all of the questions the reader is likely to have, which gives Langdon the excuse to explain things to him/her. The partner's gender is unimportant for this purpose.

That raises the obvious question, then: why does Brown always choose male-female pairings in his novels, when there's little or no romantic reason for it?

It's possible that he's trying to cultivate some low-level sexual tension between the characters (they're always both single and therefore "available"), hoping to leave readers excitedly wondering whether the couple will "get together" before the end of the story. The fast-paced plots generally don't allow time for the characters to do much more than run from one crisis to the next, though, so any gratification is going to be limited to the final page or two. Still, it gives readers something to hope for, and hope keeps the pages turning.

It's also possible that he chooses "vulnerable" female partners for Langdon in order to showcase the chivalrous and protective qualities Brown believes are important in a hero. Brown's version of the heroic ideal does seem to be the classic "protector of women," and in that case he has to take pains to avoid pairing Langdon with a "strong" woman (or man), lest he have no damsel in distress to rescue. Langdon's female partners are always imperiled by the plot, unable to get themselves out of their predicaments without help, and therefore reliant on him to get them through the crisis.

In the end, this is also why Brown's female partner characters are generally disappointing and unmemorable: we don't really get any sense that they were important to the story. Langdon could very well have done everything without a partner (though the internal monologues would have become tedious to read), but the fact that Brown used Langdon's partner characters as little more than dialogue prompters and emotional foils is not a whole lot better. Vittoria and Sophie were effectively interchangeable for that purpose, just like the requisite Sympathetic Female Character in any Bond movie.

This, too, raises an interesting question: how would the story have been different with a male partner character?

The same prerequisite "vulnerability" needs to apply, of course, otherwise there's little reason for Langdon to pair up with this guy (if the partner can take care of himself, why does he need Langdon's help?). It could work with a younger character--a son, a nephew, a student from one of Langdon's classes, etc.--someone that Langdon is likely to feel "protective" of.

You'd lose the sexual tension, of course (if you posit that Brown has no interest in exploring homosexual themes, based on the evidence of his four novels), but you'd introduce a "parent-child" bond that resonates with a lot of people instead. Most parents live in constant fear of something untoward happening to their children, so there's ready sympathy for a man willing to go to extremes to save his child (or some similarly dependent charge). In this case fear, rather than hope, turns the pages.

Often in the male-male partner scenario the teacher-pupil relationship is stressed, with the more senior character mentoring the younger one--a rookie, an apprentice, a novice, etc. (e.g. the Adso character from Eco's Name of the Rose). This model offers the contrast of the old pro's experience and the novice's reckless eagerness. The reader identifies with the novice, who makes the mistakes the average reader would, and slowly learns from the master over the course of the story.

In short, there's no reason that a female partner character is essential to the Langdon stories. The fact that he always chooses to pair Langdon with female partners says more about Brown and the kinds of stories he wants to tell than about the genre itself.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8097 - 06/14/06 09:31 PM

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That's a perfect example. You mentioned romance novels. What gender is the almost 99.99999% that writes romance novels? Women, of course! And, they're main characters is always a woman, whether she be a wench on a pirate ship waiting for some buccaneer to save her from the evil pirates, or a peasent girl who is saved by the prince, or whatever other scenario you can think of. You expect there to be an opposite gender partner. Man partner if a woman is the main character. Woman partner if a man is the main character.




That's a little bit cliché, don't you find?
I read many books written by women, and most were not romances, and the ones which included romances were not systematically like fairy tales, naive or smooth.

About Langdon women partners, I think the reason why Dan Brown includes women partners is just because it's page turning and, a son, or a student or a nephew would be less suspensfull!
Although Sophie or Vittoria help Langdon throughout the novels, it is obvious that they are not indispensable and the romances are not the main interest of Langdon books. If Langdon should have to lead a quest alone, or with someone else than a woman, that wouldn't be a problem for me.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Vanora]
      #8098 - 06/14/06 10:05 PM

dan brown is likely capable of wrting a male companion in a robert langon story to be as suspenceful as before. a good portion of the suspence between the two leads of a book generally has to do less with *omg, she is a women* but so much with the mystery that surrounds the event of the books, which always become tied with whoever robert is traveling with. dan brown likely is capable to doing so ragrdless if it is a women, and man, and hermaphadite, or a man dressed in drag/women dressed as a man.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: CMWarren]
      #8101 - 06/16/06 12:56 AM

I get what you all are trying to say, and I understand what all of you are trying to say. I just don't think it's going to happen. It's just that everybody likes a book that is well-rounded with...suspense, action, drama, and...romance. And thats what I think Dan Brown writes in all of his novels. And the last reason is why there is a female counterpart/partner/love-interest. And I've seen that Robert Langdon and James Bond have been compared on this site (you could throw Indiana Jones in there too). And thats a perfect example what do all the Bond movies have suspense, action, drama, and...romance (albeit sometimes more than one romance in one Bond movie). Its just that if a little tiny romantic feeling weren't in between these two characters I think the book would be lacking something, because I know for a fact that people like wondering "will they or won't they". But if i'm wrong then i'll happily admit that I was wrong.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8120 - 06/19/06 04:46 AM

I just dont see why it has to always be a person of the opposate sex.

I hardly would consider robert langdon and bonds similer. wasent bond more of the womenizer, then say robert langdon, who though he has shown over the courses of books growing romantic interest with charactors, its not like his priority is persueing the romance, so much as persueing the more exciting temptrest of mystery.

I see robert langdon putting more interest in uncovering the workings of what is taking place more then his carnal urges.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: CMWarren]
      #8123 - 06/19/06 03:35 PM

I personally would rather have a strong main character, whether it be man or women, and have another character a long with them that is of equal importance to the story, that is the opposite gender to the main character. And if it turns out to they are to be romantically attached then fine, but i dont think they have to be.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8127 - 06/20/06 02:38 AM

Three, as it is, is too much.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: Dazzle]
      #8129 - 06/20/06 03:24 AM

Well, since I seem to be getting nowhere with my points...I'll stop!!! But, with all theses rebuttals against my ideas, does this mean no one here will read The Solomon Key because there might in fact be a female partner with Langdon?

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8130 - 06/20/06 03:56 AM

we're all going to read it, I think. Though many of us might prefer there not be a new Langdon girl.

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Re: Trilogy new [Re: theHistorian]
      #8172 - 07/06/06 06:12 AM

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does this mean no one here will read The Solomon Key because there might in fact be a female partner with Langdon?




No. I won't read The Solomon Key because it will be crap.

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