Cary
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I thought the code on "The DaVinci Code" bookcover lead to a statue of a Greek god on the CIA's lawn or something. lol But it turns out ta be a sculpture of a code .... And this straight from the source themselves! lol Click here at see for yourself > "Kryptos" Code Statue
Later!
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CMWarren
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I want to see what dan brown makes of the final yet unsolved cryptic code. I am so sick of waiting, I am currently studying the completed first 3 riddles, trying to make up a idea for the fouth to use in a novel length solomon key fanfiction
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CMWarren
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I thought, to stimulate conversation on this belived element of the next robert langdon book, I thought I would post some information on the statue, including the 3 currently solved codes, the 4th one still unsolved, even by the CIA who has people who spend time on Kryptos during their free time.
the first three codes were solved a while back, and they feature very intriuding, vague, and for me, alluring mysterys.
Solution 1: BETWEEN SUBTLE SHADING AND THE ABSENCE OF LIGHT LIES THE NUANCE OF :IQLUSION
Solution 2: IT WAS TOTALLY INVISIBLE HOWS THAT POSSIBLE ? THEY USED THE EARTHS MAGNETIC FIELD X THE INFORMATION WAS GATHERED AND TRANSMITTED UNDERGRUUND TO AN UNKNOWN LOCATION X DOES LANGLEY KNOW ABOUT THIS ? THEY SHOULD ITS BURIED OUT THERE SOMEWHERE X WHO KNOWS THE EXACT LOCATION ? ONLY WW THIS WAS HIS LAST MESSAGE X THIRTY EIGHT DEGREES FIFTY SEVEN MINUTES SIX POINT FIVE SECONDS NORTH SEVENTY SEVEN DEGREES EIGHT MINUTES FORTY FOUR SECONDS WEST X LAYER TWO
Solution 3: SLOWLY DESPARATLY SLOWLY THE REMAINS OF PASSAGE DEBRIS THAT ENCUMBERED THE LOWER PART OF THE DOORWAY WAS REMOVED WITH TREMBLING HANDS I MADE A TINY BREACH IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER AND THEN WIDENING THE HOLE A LITTLE I INSERTED THE CANDLE AND PEERED IN THE HOT AIR ESCAPING FROM THE CHAMBER CAUSED THE FLAME TO FLICKER BUT PRESENTLY DETAILS OF THE ROOM WITHIN EMERGED FROM THE MIST X CAN YOU SEE ANYTHING Q (?)
X's seem to have been used as spaces, in some way inplace of periods. we learned more about this when it was revealed that sanborn, the artist who made the sculpture omited a X for astethic reasons.
according to wikipedia *where the above is from* the 3rd is a reference to howard carter opening king tuts tomb. A strangely random thing, but we were told that to solve the statue completely, you had to solve a riddle in a riddle that cant be solved until all four clues are decrypted.
we know dan brown is a very creative person, and with three of the clues decrypted, I feel certain we can expect that dan brown, if kryptos those feature, will include a fictional clue 4, which may very well help our hero understand what conspiracy is happening.
i have heard a theory that once all four codes are solved, it forms the first riddle that has to be decyrpted by the four clues in some fashion. then, that riddle has to be solve, revealing another riddle. it all seems really complicated to me, but I really think it might make for a great read.
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kyrus
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looks like a recylced mass of iron to me. the cia are to be congratulated for their recycling skills.
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CMWarren
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well, if in the real world, it has no value other then artistic value, thats not really why I brought it up. I brought the information up to spark discussions of how dan brown might use the statue in the book, as it seems likely he will.
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bankjc
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I wish I had some kind of answer to your questions CMWarren. Unfortunately, I'm stumped. I'm sure that, whatever way Dan Brown decides to use them, it will be very creative, thought-provoking and (Dare I say it?) ORIGINAL!
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CMWarren
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I have been working on a fanfiction idea, and this is a issue that is causing my alot of obsession. Dan Brown has a amazing talant for taking something, and making this thrilling plot element.
I have been trying to think of ways one could use it.
they are three seemingly random phrases.
the statue itself is a riddle within a riddle that cant be solved until all four codes are cracked.
it almost seems like it was designed in a way that once a person cracks the fourth code, they have to combine them in a way to find a word or anwser to the riddle that would be used in decoding the statue again to find the final riddle.
I am enjoying the challange, but still, how could this play into the book. Dan Brown gave us a enigma not even the CIA has been able to solve. only WW knows the anwsers, and he retired as head of the CIA a while ago.
I found out the lattitude longittude codes acutally point to a area in the courtyard where the statue itself stands.
I find the 2nd code to be the most intriguing. A reference to something hidden.
the third makes me think of national treasure for some reason.
I autally spent a few hours pouring through a series of attempts at cracking the fourth code, and though I barely understood it, it really was amazing to see the lengths people were trying to go to crack it.
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bankjc
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Wow, seems like you are really determined to find the answer. I would love to read your fan fiction when you are done. I wish I were intelligent enough to help you with that one. I love codes and the like because, unfortunately, im not great at solving them without a little help.
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CMWarren
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its a little frustrating. I am not a cyptographist, or whatever the proper term is, so I am just stretching my imagination and creativity to find a way to make a beliveable solution and way the solution was found.
I cant deconstruct and present something that would take the actual last series of letters. I even tried useing very basic forms of codebreaking to turn the 93 letters remaining unsolved into letters that could be used as sounds that could be clues to sounding out words, finding the letters needed to make the words, and creating a solved version.
my big problem is whats stumping everyone. one could say the real solution is really complicated, however I have read many people postulating that it likely is a obscure but simple encryption everyone is over looking.
in the end, with fanfiction, I am not a expert, so its going to be hard to sound smart when I am flying uncontrolled trying to make a belivable plot.
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Missy
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Did anyone else notice that on the right side of Kryptos, it says "Kryptos" again and again? Once you find it, you'll see that the word bends into a right angle, and continues. I guess that's why it's called Kryptos though...
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macapava
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Very new to all of this but was wondering, if anyone found in the jacket that the tear is in the form of the state of Virginia and that many of the deeply embedded images are that of Colonial Williamsburg symbols and people? I haven't seen anything on line discussing this and just wondered if this was because it is just so obvious and is old news or that it has not been widely discovered? Curious to know. Thanks
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ktmason
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If Dan doesn't announce something quickly, wouldn't most of you agree that his sales will suffer greatly? Take a look, for the most part, the posts here have slowed to nothing. Interest is dead. If he does not do something quickly, so will the status of his next book.
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Arras
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Quote:
ktmason said: If Dan doesn't announce something quickly, wouldn't most of you agree that his sales will suffer greatly? Take a look, for the most part, the posts here have slowed to nothing. Interest is dead. If he does not do something quickly, so will the status of his next book.
Granted, we seem to have run out of things to discuss and debate about Dan's existing books, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that the readership here has lost interest in his next book (whatever it turns out to be). There's no shortage of interest, I suspect, just a shortage of substance to talk about until that book arrives. All we can do is speculate, and even that gets boring after a while.
Have no fear, KT--if/when Dan has another book to publish you can be sure the marketing machine will be kicked into high gear a few months ahead of time to make sure everybody remembers The DaVinci Code. There'll be interviews, documentaries, and a whole new slew of critics and debunkers (and most of the old ones) will come out of the woodwork to remind us all about the controversies and lawsuits. Even those who've forgotten Dan Brown's name by then will surely recognize the book title (and possibly the film). Then they'll get dutifully back in line to snap up copies of his latest book to find out which sacred cow he means to slaughter this time around 
If I were in charge of marketing for his publisher, I'd be doing three things:
(1) Looking at the forthcoming film releases of National Treasure 2 and Angels & Demons, both of which should keep the masses in the mood for another Brown opus. Timing the release of the book somewhere between these two films would be ideal from a marketing standpoint, particularly with Angels & Demons coming out later. That lets someone else's marketing dollars fuel the sales of Brown's next book, which in turn fuels the box office demand for Angels & Demons some months later. As the copyright holder, the publisher also has a stake in the Angels & Demons film, so it just makes good sense to capitalize on one property to enhance the returns on another.
(2) I'd also be looking into ways to keep Brown's name in the court system--even a frivolous lawsuit sponsored by a religious zealot would suffice, if it really proves that difficult to find someone willing to try another plagiarism suit. If nothing else, I'm sure that Random House has learned that suing itself is a relatively inexpensive way to obtain free publicity. And make no mistake, the more times an author/publisher has been taken to court over a book, the more "important" the subject matter is seen to be by the general public.
(3) Finally, I'd start courting the groups that are likely to be offended by the upcoming book, and get them stirred up about it with hints about its controversial content. I'd arrange interviews and media events for them, so they can tell my customers why they shouldn't read my book--everyone wants to read "the book they don't want you to read!" The DaVinci Code's sales went through the roof in large part because of the Catholic Church's defensive reaction to it, which in the minds of the readership said "there must really be something to this."
About the only thing that Brown's next book could do to hurt sales is to fail to be controversial enough. Ancient mysteries and clever puzzles are all well and good, but they're also a dime a dozen. The magic of The DaVinci Code was its ability to get a billion people foaming at the mouth and another billion buying books just to see it happen. It's going to be very hard to top--or even come close--to that level of global outrage without featuring a caricature of the Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings be upon him) on the cover
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AAnnAArchy
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If Dan would like to pay me to sue him to keep him in the news, I'd be happy to oblige.
I am really looking forward to Angels & Demons though. I think it was a whole lot better than the DVC. I still haven't seen that movie. One, in general I don't care to see the movies of books I enjoyed; two, Tom Hanks' hair was gross.
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maegical
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It's a Vigenere Tableau.
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