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ktmason
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Am I confused? hehehehe
      #5699 - 12/16/05 02:48 AM

Ok folks, maybe I am taking this all too seriously! Is all this conspiracy stuff supposed to be taken seriously? Maybe I am confusing speculation and story-tellilng as serious investigation.

As a Mason, I am in the unfortunate position of looking at it all as serious. I really do not want to offend anyone, or butt in to correct when its not wanted. Then again, I don't want my fraternity to be dragged into stuff thats not true. I love a good story to! "National Treasure", for all its flaws, is my favorite movie--and seen it 32 times!

I read Dan Brown for fun! Being a Mason, and having been in the USAF for 20 years, working for (really!) NSA, I find his books enjoyable if not a little slanted.

I just want to make sure all is ok?

Thanks,
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EVDebs
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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: ktmason]
      #5701 - 12/16/05 04:00 AM

ktmason

The NSA certainly takes information gathering seriously. I note Eschelon. And you really should read all the James Bamford books. Domestic spying is an inevitable byproduct of the agency's work. Necessary work, but easily politicized. The movie Enemy of the State with Will Smith comes to mind.

How easy to infiltrate the organization, stock it with ultra-conservatives -- I note Time magazines' Aug. 4, 1997, article Kingdom Come by David Van Biema, page 52: "The FBI and CIA, drawn by a seemingly incorruptible rectitude, have instituted Mormon-recruitment plans".

Let loose in an organization that by its very nature allows for domestic spying, presumably with oversight and controls, and you have what in the '70s allowed by spying on MLK and the details are in Orders to Kill by Wm. Pepper, oops, another book to read !

Anyway you're no more confused than any of the rest of us. I just hope no one decides to take the easy way out and decides to "kill them all and let God sort them out"? You'll also hear it as "kill them all, God will know his own", supposedly a statement by Abbot Arnold Amaury before the massacre of Béziers during the Albigensian Crusade

( see pictures at http://history.boisestate.edu/westciv/medieval/trails/cathars/ )

As one of Dan Brown's characters in Digital Fortress asks 'who watches the watchers ?' Besides, conspiracy theories usually involve betrayal and betrayals always make for the best stories. 'DeMolay is avenged' !

(PS Please read about the Pentagon's domestic spying ops
'Pentagon Expanding Its Domestic Surveillance Activity'

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ article/2005/11/26/AR2005112600857_pf.html

(if it doesn't come up you'll know google has 'played' with the link's url...the gap btwn 'article ')


in today's brand new world. Pincus, himself, participated in Operation Mockingbird, the CIA's media 'happyland' project. Does NSA play that game too ?).

Edited by EVDebs (12/16/05 05:46 AM)

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: ktmason]
      #5703 - 12/16/05 07:09 AM

Hello KT

I am a Mason from NJ. I laugh at all the conspiracy stuff I read about the masons on the Anti boards but I still believe some of the stuff I read regarding what the govenment is up to. If I wasn't a mson I might also believe what I read about them. I take everything with a grain of salt.

By the way- is it a coincidence you saw the movie 32 times

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: corsig]
      #5710 - 12/16/05 08:48 AM

hehehehehe
Actually, it is! ( a coinky-dink ) My son is in New Jersey (Sicklerville) but is a little afraid to patition a lodge. Y'all have a reputation of being really strict on the proficency! Hat's off to y'all, glad you haven't gone "Blue Lightning."

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EVDebs
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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: ktmason]
      #5713 - 12/16/05 12:39 PM

You're not confused

James Bamford's expose of some of the NSA's operations

"Body of Secrets" by James Bamford
http://www.salon.com/books/review/2001/04/25/nsa/

which describes Operation Northwoods, are real nutty plans by the NSA to kill US citizens and then blame Cuba. I would like to believe that guys like ktmason would have the ability to say 'no' to such plans. JFK did but look what happens when you tell guys like Dulles, Bissell and Cabell that...

Operation Northwoods
http://www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/news/20010430/

A review of the equally fantastic book Puzzle Palace below
http://www.epinions.com/content_30762765956

but it misspells his name as Bamberg...it's BAMFORD, silly ! A good review nonetheless.

Confused. No. All secret societies and organizations produce information and use information. As long as those groups are human, mistakes will take place. Ktmason isn't allowed to tell either of his successes or failures. No matter. We can look into the secret organization of the Freemasons now with Dan Brown books, and now movies it looks like.

I'd just like to know if the NSA has been as effectively breached with SMOM/KnightsOfMalta as the early CIA was. Is there any way to find out ?

As with FBI spy and Opus Dei member Robert Hanssen, and what we know about the CIA's Allen Dulles, Wild Bill Donovan, Angleton, Casey, McCone, and all the other KOM's, maybe you can help alleviate any confusion. I'm still waiting to hear back from Sol re any breaches in Mossad due to the White Russian/Operation-Paperclip stuff I wrote about earlier. If that happened, then since WWII all Western intell agencies have been compromised and the Beast truly has been Reawakened (reference to The Beast Reawakens by Martin A. Lee on fascism reborn in re-emerging neonazi groups).

Oh, here's that other weblink from above, it does print after all !

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/26/AR2005112600857_pf.html

Edited by EVDebs (12/16/05 12:46 PM)

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ktmason
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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5717 - 12/16/05 10:18 PM

EV, you will not find out about Freemasonry via Dan Brown books, or Movies. But enjoy! Brother Corsig & I will enjoy your stories.

My confusion was weither you and others were serious in your conspiracies.

To tell you continually that we don't do that stuff, the Knights of Malta don't, the Jesuits, etc etc ad nauseum, is beginning to get old, so I will go back to just reading and enjoying--and will get my KT sword out and practice for taking over the world--and the final destruction of the heretic Knights Malta!

Get the goat out, Corsig!

KT

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: ktmason]
      #5720 - 12/17/05 12:41 PM

ktmason

And King Phillip IV of France didn't conspire with Pope Clement V to murder off the Templars either, the original "conspiracy" that sets your "confusion" off in the first place.

Humor us, won't you ?

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: ktmason]
      #5721 - 12/18/05 05:52 AM

ktmason, ash, sol, all

Yes, I guess I do take my conspiracies seriously. If Bush was authorizing illegal wiretaps via the NSA, as the media is reporting as of Oct. 2001, then why is it that this story, reported by Greg Palast in Britain got reported there but not here domestically ?

FBI AND US SPY AGENTS SAY BUSH SPIKED BIN LADEN PROBES BEFORE 11 SEPTEMBER
The Guardian (London)
Wednesday, November 7, 2001
2001 Project Censored Award Winner

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=1

Combine that with the 'wargames' ongoing during Sept 11th 2001 (Vigilant Warrior etc, see www.oilempire.us/wargames.html ) , the Ptech (Saudi software firm with FAA/Intell computer access, see www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html ), and you've got an NSA with a lot of questions that need investigating.

Or you can just blow off inconvenient facts with the charge of 'there goes those darn conspiracy theorists again'.

The choice is yours. BTW, one of those 'whistleblowing' agents wasn't you was it ? I'd be proud of you if it was...

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5722 - 12/18/05 01:25 PM

ktmason

More regarding the NSA's involvment in the recent eavesdropping dustup:

" In 1996 and 1997, I was stationed at NSA Headquarters, Fort Meade, Maryland, assigned to a unit of the Air Force Air Intelligence Agency, headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. Our commander at the time was Air Force Major General Michael Hayden. From my perspective, his reputation was sterling. I remember a visit he made to our detachment and to NSA. We listened to General Hayden eloquently share his theories about leadership and integrity. I remember it to this day because it was a breath of fresh air, in light of the Clinton administration appearances of national security incompetence and widely reported investigations by Special Prosecutor Ken Starr. Hayden told us that his family and his Catholic upbringing had instilled in him a strong sense of right and wrong. I came away from that briefing with my faith restored in Air Force flag officers, and a firm belief that here was a man with the innate courage to do the right thing....

I may have been wrong about the integrity and personal courage of General Mike Hayden. His immediate boss, Ambassador Negroponte is a man known for bending the rules, for shaping political reality to pursue a "perfect" political solution. Negroponte's style seems to have withstood the test of time, whether the "final solution" of the day is the defeat of communism in Central America, the creation of an American-dependent Iraqi colony where he recently served as ostensible U.S. Ambassador, or the increasingly mystical White House mission of "fighting global terror."

Apparently, the White House over a year ago asked the New York Times not to publish the facts of NSA eavesdropping on American citizens. True to character, the Times complied and cooperated. But now that we know about it, the media, every member of Congress and every concerned American, should be asking "Is this Constitutional?" and "Is this legal?" The executive branch itself should be asking these questions as well. Further, the executive branch would do well to ask, in a business sense, "Is this worthwhile?" and "Is it cost effective?" and "Does it work to improve national security?" I'd like to think that, in addition to these questions, my old boss Michael Hayden is asking the very simple, straightforward, and ultimately the most courageous question. "Is it right?""

from http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/121805X.shtml

Confusion over whether there is or isn't an ongoing conspiracy usually gets back to the ultimate goals of any conspiracy. This article mentions Gen Hayden being a Catholic. That begs the question, for me at least, 'is he a member of Opus Dei or Knights of Malta' ?

Coincidence or conspiracy ?

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Re: Am I confused? hehehehe new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5724 - 12/18/05 07:55 PM

Coincidence, or, better put, synchronous.

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