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Plot Of The Solomon Key
      #5196 - 10/05/05 06:17 AM

Do we have any info on this? Will it be along the lines of:

o Langdon hooks up with young female, whose father/grandfather/brother has been murdered

o Together they go off on an adventure

o The are hindered on their journey by some authority figure, like a senior police officer

o Half way through the book, they meet someone who seems like a good guy

o As they get into deeper and deeper trouble, Langdon feels attracted to his young female companion

o In the end, the bad guy turns out to be the good guy they met half way through the story.

Or... will it be something different? What are people expecting?

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Remarkable]
      #5203 - 10/05/05 11:01 AM

The above. with some minor variations, such as when they meet the bad guy. I expect a disagreeable person to be a good guy in the end, and the last person one would otherwise suspect will be a bad guy.

It will all take place in 24 hours, and there'll be a female sidekick with personal connections to the person murdered within the first chapter.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Sephia]
      #5204 - 10/05/05 06:56 PM

And Dazzle will hate it.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: AAnnAArchy]
      #5205 - 10/05/05 08:38 PM

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And Dazzle will hate it.




LOL!

Actually, I think Dan will change the plot a bit this time; particularly as it relates to who the bad guy is. Not sure he will do enough to convert Dazzle, but ya never know!

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Remarkable]
      #5223 - 10/07/05 11:36 PM

The plot of the solomon Key, bear in mind that a key may also refer to an device used to decrypt a coded message. On the back of the Da Vinci Code is a set of Lat/Long coordinates, which correspond to a point in Northern Virginia, to the people who say that the book is going to be about the evil masons controlling the CIA, I suggest you research the Kryptos statue, it has been largely deciphered. It cannot refer to this, the conclusion is illogical conspiracy theory. The coordinates and existing information point to one thing, ever heard of the Beale Ciphers? or the Beale Papers? They are a set of encrypted letters (requiring a key to decipher), which were written in the 1820s or possibly before, which alllegedly tell the location of a vault containing gold worth $30M in Northern Virginia. The person who initially had the letters was a man called Samuel w. Ward (WW), he claimed to have received the letters from one Thomas Jefferson Beale, who never existed incidentally. Mr Ward was a Freemason, and the letters are allegedly covered in Masonic symbols and, furthermore the letters include archaic language particular to Masonic lore, leading some to believe the letters are a Hoax. The only shortcoming to this theory is that the motivation is greed, and there is no apocolyptic struggle with the church involved. Incidentally the Northern Virginia locale in the Lat/Long coordinates figures into the myth. Mr Brown may expand on the myth.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: xKCMGx]
      #5228 - 10/08/05 05:47 AM

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The coordinates and existing information point to one thing, ever heard of the Beale Ciphers? or the Beale Papers?




I didn't realise the Beale family could be implicated in Dan's new book. Really interesting. The bloodline of the Beales atill exists today, with particularly important members in East London.

I wonder if this means that the next book after the Solomon key will be set in London? Interesting...

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Remarkable]
      #5234 - 10/08/05 09:13 AM

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The coordinates and existing information point to one thing, ever heard of the Beale Ciphers? or the Beale Papers?




I didn't realise the Beale family could be implicated in Dan's new book. Really interesting. The bloodline of the Beales atill exists today, with particularly important members in East London.

I wonder if this means that the next book after the Solomon key will be set in London? Interesting...




LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if the Mitchells will feature in the book too. Their bloodline is also relevant to the same case, I think. Interesting indeed.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: MsVetra]
      #5235 - 10/08/05 11:06 AM

Has anyone ever noticed that Robert Langdon doesn't seem to sleep..

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: bradpig369]
      #5237 - 10/08/05 11:25 AM

In my new book, Secrets of the Widow's Son, I discuss many, many of the possible themes and topics in anticipation of The Solomon Key. I think we will surely see a treatment of Kryptos, as well as other codes, and it has been established (by Dan Brown) that it will take place in Washington, DC and involve the Freemasons. This is what Dan Brown announced about two weeks after I had made that prediction, based on my research into the clues I had at the time (2004). My book is available at BN.com and Amazon.com, of course.
--David A. Shugarts

Edited by Shugarius (10/08/05 11:28 AM)

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Shugarius]
      #5238 - 10/08/05 01:33 PM

As far as evidence suggests,there was not a Thomas Jefferson Beale in Virginia at the time claimed by the legend. There may be a Beale family name, but evidence does not Suggest that the person of Thomas Jefferson Beale existed. Furthermore, examine the following. The title of the book is allegedly the Solomon Key, a reference to the Temple of Solomon, presumably. The Freemasons are allegedly descendants of the Templars which took their name from the Temple of Solomon (Da Vinci Code). The word "Key" refers to a physical object used to open a lock, and an device to decrypt a Coded message. Combining the two suggests that the book involves a Freemason code and the key used to decrpyt it. Kryptos was erected in 1991 (CBS), it is to new to be associated, furthermore the ultra secret NSA has a similar statue.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: xKCMGx]
      #5241 - 10/09/05 11:11 PM

The way of taking "Solomon Key" literally is one of about four or five that I discuss in my book, but also, there is an interpretation I recently learned of that is "hidden in plain sight" like a lot of things. It is related in my blog at shugarius.blogspot.com, which is also linked to secretsofthewidowsson.com.

The mere fact that Kryptos is a modern statue does not keep it from figuring in Dan Brown's next book. The hints that it will, are very strong, including plenty of indications that are found on the dust jacket of The Da Vinci Code, as well as Dan Brown's own words. It does not need to be the true "key" to the novel in order to be prominent in the plot.

The Beale story is interesting and I have a lot of information on it (including some actual "treasure maps"), but I only mention it briefly in my book because I have become convinced that it is a hoax.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: bradpig369]
      #5242 - 10/09/05 11:24 PM

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Has anyone ever noticed that Robert Langdon doesn't seem to sleep..




Lol! very true. And he doesn't seem to eat or drink much either. But these things don't really bother me much, as it's plausible that he would 'run on adrenaline' for a few hours...

What really annoys me is his dreadful fashion taste!

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: MsVetra]
      #5245 - 10/10/05 12:36 AM

Cimatic scene in Solomon Key:

Langdon froze in his tracks, staring at the black silenced pistol which was pointed right at him. (Enter girl's name) screamed as strong arms grabbed her from behind and (Enter unexpected villian name)stepped out from the shadows.
"That's right. It's been me all along. And now, Robert, you die."
'oh no!' Robert thought to himself.'If only I had guessed that the strange marking on the back of that statue... oh wait' He looked at his captors, "This is all very interesting, but mind if we take a break.. I need to use the restroom! And then, can we continue this in that McDonalds... I need some food" He hoped they would agree; he really was hungry. 'besides' he thought, 'the Masonic origins of the golden arch and the squiggles on the kiddie menu might still give me a few hints about where to find (enter object of search here)..."

I dunno...seems to lack some of that tension.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Shugarius]
      #5249 - 10/10/05 09:43 AM

Shugarius <<The way of taking "Solomon Key" literally is one of about four or five that I discuss in my book, but also, there is an interpretation I recently learned of that is "hidden in plain sight" like a lot of things. It is related in my blog at shugarius.blogspot.com, which is also linked to secretsofthewidowsson.com.>>

Mudpuppy apologizes for the delay of the book review. She really enjoyed your book, taking time out of her reading to regale me with tidbits from it. As soon as she writes her review (the book is now at her desk), I'm going to read it.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Remarkable]
      #5254 - 10/12/05 06:54 AM

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The bloodline of the Beales atill exists today, with particularly important members in East London.




I appreciate that also.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Shugarius]
      #5260 - 10/15/05 11:22 AM

Shugartius, you've been very busy I see speculating on Brown's next opus...I see US-Snooze article below with your byline

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/050905/5excerpt.htm

So far we've had posting on a book of demonology Clavis Solomonii of the Sacred Grove, some thoughts about DaVinci in America, whatever that means...

I will be p.o.ed if this book turns out being based on hokum like the DaVinci Code did. I need a bit more reality-based conundrums, if you please. When it all turned upon the Priory de Sion scandal "facts" with Brown looking like a koolaid drinking true believer and less the hardboiled Robert Langdon he writes about, well, let's just say I joined Dazzle in losing some respect for Brown.

But hope springs eternal and I've still read some of his work: Angels and Demons and Digital Fortress. A&D is excellent, DF is a series of three page 'chapters' built for speed reading. Hopefully with the Knights Templar and Freemasons Mr. Brown will have the material to keep me reading. Alas, if he merely turns in a work similar to the movie National Treasure, I may have to join Dazzle in giving a Bronx cheer on Solomon Key. Let's hope Brown has done his homework this time.

For chase scenes John Grisham can't be beat; for info-packed novels Angels and Demons is right up there and carries the day.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5262 - 10/16/05 03:26 AM

I guess what I'm asking Dan Brown for in The Solomon Key is to create a roman a clef novel out of his research for the novel somehow

What's a roman a clef ?
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19971216

Essentially it's a non-fiction novel. With the information this website alone has provided, there's more than enough to feed the appetites of the likes of moi, who demand less fantasy and more reality in works of fiction.

All Brown has to do then is simply change the names and voila, his work is vastly simplified. The reading public, Dazzle and Sephia alike, all well read people, will be forced to stipulate to THAT, don't you think ?

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Sephia]
      #5264 - 10/16/05 05:45 AM

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Cimatic scene in Solomon Key:

Langdon froze in his tracks, staring at the black silenced pistol which was pointed right at him. (Enter girl's name) screamed as strong arms grabbed her from behind and (Enter unexpected villian name)stepped out from the shadows.
"That's right. It's been me all along. And now, Robert, you die."
'oh no!' Robert thought to himself.'If only I had guessed that the strange marking on the back of that statue... oh wait' He looked at his captors, "This is all very interesting, but mind if we take a break.. I need to use the restroom! And then, can we continue this in that McDonalds... I need some food" He hoped they would agree; he really was hungry. 'besides' he thought, 'the Masonic origins of the golden arch and the squiggles on the kiddie menu might still give me a few hints about where to find (enter object of search here)..."



yea and maybe the unexpected villain can turn out to be the hamburglar.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: la_verite]
      #5265 - 10/16/05 08:42 AM

"Alexandre Dumas's prodigious output was largely attributable to a vast corps of ghostwriters. Dumas once asked his son - Alexandre fils - whether he had read his new novel yet. "No," his son replied. "Have you?"" from
http://anecdotage.com/index.php?aid=8040

I can only hope that Dan Brown doesn't resort to this, but hey, let's put it to the test on this website. If one of the moderators will allow, we could each submit a flowchart of a 'Dan Brown' novel and see if ghostwriting can work for us and Mr. Brown. Good idea or what ?

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5268 - 10/16/05 01:48 PM

hehe.. I personally wouldn't mind, but I doubt it would be allowed. Besides, unless you plan to use already existing novels and just mess around with the plot, doing all the research would take far too long.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5270 - 10/16/05 11:02 PM

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All Brown has to do then is simply change the names and voila, his work is vastly simplified.




I thought that's what he did with Angels & Demons to get The Da Vinci Code.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Dazzle]
      #5286 - 10/23/05 04:27 AM

Yo, Dazzle

Check this out:

"Take for example the biggest literary behemoth of the last decade: The Da Vinci Code. Yes, it presents some interesting if not entirely surprising ideas (the Catholic Church had it in for matriarchal paganism? Who knew!), but it also stands as a perfect example of what is wrong with popular literature. The story of one religion essentially wiping out the other is a compelling one--hell, it really happened!--but instead of creating equally compelling characters with which to populate his landscape, Brown opts for reducing his cast of zealots and goddess worshippers down to the least common denominator. His Catholic characters are classic stock villains, leaving the reader in no doubt as to which side of the struggle the author is on.

Brown's enterprising atheist scholars, Robert Langdon and Sophie Sauniere, are stock heroes: he, forthright and American; she, the clay with which he can mold another believer. It's a formula we have seen repeated since Buck Rogers, complete with a tacked-on romantic ending--and writing as bland and rehashed as yesterday's leftovers:

"When we possess the keystone," the Teacher said, "we will only be one step away."

"We are closer than you think. The keystone is here in Paris."

"Paris? Incredible. It is almost too easy."

That's three stock phrases in as many lines, and is a typical example of Brown's flair for words. If we wanted something this lifeless, we could have just paid $10 to see The Island. But several million copies and as many dollars later, Brown is pop-lit's hottest ticket, begging the question: What passes for writing these days?"

from
Mess Market Media-- A short lesson on why the existential void (and good writing) shouldn't just be for kids
by Hannah Strom-Martin
http://www.metroactive.com/papers/sonoma/10.19.05/ya-lit-0542.html

In many respects I agree. However the kernel of a nascent good yarn is what reels us into Brown's novels in the first place. I just wish he would make better use of the real-life material that can't be 'de-bunked' and spin it better. In this case the Masonic material related to Knights Templar. It would be a shame if Strom-Martin's thesis, that the current crop of good literature is now in the Young Adult's category, is correct.

Ironic, isn't it, that 'kid's lit' is writing for adults these days while 'adult lit' seems to be for children !

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5287 - 10/23/05 12:42 PM

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If we wanted something this lifeless, we could have just paid $10 to see The Island. But several million copies and as many dollars later, Brown is pop-lit's hottest ticket, begging the question: What passes for writing these days?"





Well, this assumes that The Island is not a good film. True, it wasn't a big commercial success; but it is actually an entertaining movie. Both Ewan and Scarlett did fabulous jobs in the lead roles.

Edited by Remarkable (10/23/05 12:42 PM)

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Remarkable]
      #5290 - 10/24/05 12:30 AM

Yes, but what the article leaves out is the intrigue. Because of the stuff that "really happened!", DVC tends to seem more plausible --unless you're Dazzle! ;-) --and that's when the money starts rolling in.

I am not against "Stock phrases". As long as they are used in dialogue, i think its fine.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Sephia]
      #5292 - 10/25/05 05:53 AM

Sephia

Exactly my point. Unless Brown uses some of the real life intrigue, see especially

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/greater-israel.htm the last part on Forcing God's Hand

and the Freemasons/KnightsTemplar Third Temple situation

Impact of the millenium on Holy Land
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week319/cover.html

spells this out in detail and the templemountfaithful.org group is proof of that, and justifies Muslim fears of destruction of their holy sites on the Temple Mount.

If Brown indeed 'ties into' this he will have a much more scary story with REAL intrigue. The Freemasons/KT intent through the past 900 years has been keeping this dangerous information suppressed. If you don't have an Ark to go into a rebuilt Third Temple there's not point in going forward...you don't do it with a forged Ark in other words.

Stories based upon an American ark showing up are 'iffy'. Besides, the Grail and Ark stories begin showing up in the 12th Century all of a sudden when the KT was in its heyday.

The current day 'futurist'/Left Behind view of the 'end times' requires a Third Temple but that came about only because Jesuits needed a fallback position due to the Reformation's view of the papacy as antichrist needing a Counter-reformation

The Catholic Origins of Futurism and Praeterism
www.aloha.net/~mikesch/antichrist.htm

Brown's story, whatever it turns out to be, may be able to illuminate ways to defuse the current Middle East situation in the long run. This stuff needs to be aired out publicly but right now it's all an undercurrent that the MainStreamMedia ignores.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: EVDebs]
      #5295 - 10/25/05 08:05 PM

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Brown's story may be able to illuminate ways to defuse the current Middle East situation in the long run.




But, in all probability, it will just be a silly little romp to solve juvenile clues to find out who murdered the elderly guy at the beginning; step forward Robert Langdon -and some girl who is either a colleague or relation of the victim - who will, with irrelevant flashbacks and the author's whimsy, "solve" the ancient riddle.

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Dazzle]
      #5300 - 10/26/05 01:03 PM

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But, in all probability, it will just be a silly little romp to solve juvenile clues to find out who murdered the elderly guy at the beginning; step forward Robert Langdon -and some girl who is either a colleague or relation of the victim - who will, with irrelevant flashbacks and the author's whimsy, "solve" the ancient riddle.




In overall structure and formula, probably. But when it comes to the subject matter, he's got to stir up some sort of controversy, otherwise he'll never get another multi-million-dollar advance and his agent will stop answering the phone

It's the curse of the bestseller--Brown's books prior to The DaVinci Code were passable thrillers suitable for made-for-TV movies of the week, but none of them got any serious attention until The DaVinci Code left people looking for other books he'd written. The DaVinci Code has been his one and only real success (in spite of the fact that Angels & Demons is a much better book). Given that all of his books come out of the same cookie-cutter, what distinguished The DaVinci Code and made it a breakout success? The subject matter.

Brown struck a cultural nerve with The DaVinci Code, tapping into widespread skepticism about the Catholic Church and its relevance to the modern world. But in so doing, he scored a double-play by outraging those who hold strong religious beliefs, thus creating the controversy that got everyone talking about the book. Whether you were for or against Brown's thesis, you knew about the book, and you likely had an opinion. Reading the book gave you an opportunity to either affirm your skeptical position or feel victimized at a profound level.

Now, having gotten extremely lucky with The DaVinci Code, Brown has got to be understandably nervous about The Solomon Key. It's really the one and only shot he's got at establishing himself and demonstrating that The DaVinci Code was not the fluke that it seems when reviewed alongside his past works. While his formula won't likely change much, he's got to choose his subject matter to be at least as controversial as what he chose for The DaVinci Code, otherwise the book will be a great disappointment for everyone (but our resident curmudgeon Dazzle, of course, who naturally expects the worst ).

To be controversial, Brown has to find some large group of people to offend. It's not enough to write something "interesting" and "fascinating" based on some historical tidbits, he has to find subject matter that people care about, either pro or con. Religion was an easy target for The DaVinci Code--nothing gets people stirred up more than having their faith challenged, or conversely getting the opportunity to tell your holier-than-thou friends and relatives that they've based their beliefs on a pack of lies. It's hard to imagine that anything regarding the Freemasons, the Illuminati, or secret societies within the U.S. government could capture the same amount of emotional investment. Where's the controversy? Where's the mass offense? At best I can picture a mass protest by a bunch of fez-wearing Shriners on tricycles circling the Washington Monument, protesting the "wild inaccuracies" of Brown's latest book. Masons will doubtless publish a dozen books debunking The Solomon Code's thesis (whatever it is). But how and where does the subject matter touch the lives of the average reader? Unless you're a Mason or an Illuminatus, this is unlikely to be as "personal" an emotional investment as The DaVinci Code was.

If he's smart, then, Brown will stick to the thing he did right with The DaVinci Code--he'll continue pissing on matters of faith, in order to ensure that his core audience stays with him (no matter which side they were on before). The level of outrage needs to be at least as high for the sequel, so unless Jesus turns out to have been a rapist, or Mohammed turns out to have been Jesus' direct descendant, or some other key article of faith gets overturned, it ain't gonna work. Now, he may choose to capitalize on Middle East turmoil to say something controversial, though he may (or may not) stop short of having himself branded an anti-Semite by picking on Jews. The danger is that in that part of the world, a "controversial" book can and does get people killed, and can start wars--they take their religion seriously in places where there's no separation of religion and state. Hell, Salman Rushdie had a fatwah put upon him for writing a mildly satirical book about Islam; it's not hard to imagine the death squads Brown would have after him if he stirred that pot too vigorously.

What EVDebs brought up about this whole business of a "Third Temple" does have the potential to generate outrage and controversy, and it should offend a sufficiently large audience to ensure very nice book sales. That's probably a very reasonable choice for the heart of his subject matter for The Solomon Key, as it stands to interest Christians, Muslims, and Jews, with enough offense and gall to get all three--and of course that all-important atheist "you believers are so stupid" market--snapping up copies.

Or maybe I'm just a cynic

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Arras]
      #5305 - 10/27/05 12:32 AM

well said. Pretty much all of Brown's Langdon books have mentioned religion (how not, with a religious symbologist!) but DVC really touched a nerve in the general population. I think setting the book in DC is a good idea, it'll be more like, "Hey! I was there! D'you mean it was really__________?"

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Sephia]
      #5309 - 10/27/05 01:27 PM

Arras et al

As someone familiar with Freemasonry and evangelical Christianity I can assure you that, if Dan Brown wishes to continue with a controversial plot, exploiting the "end times" thesis of the Left Behind novels -- that of the Rapture and Futurist endtimes beliefs -- by exposing it as scripturally incorrect (with the help of Freemasonic/KnightsTemplars) would be the perfect coup d'grace !

The whole Third Temple mania, from a recent article in the religion section of my local newspaper, has now come down to an argument on cubits. Apparently now someone has theorized that a Third Temple could be built not on top of the Temple Mount but elsewhere nearby. Surely the fundumentalists will be up in arms over that. Check this out:

The Third Temple News
A Peaceful Solution To Building The Next TEMPLE In Yerusalem
http://www.excel.net/~hoy/t-news/tnews.html

this article pretty much regurgitates what my local daily spoke of. In any event, the antichrist of the end times is supposed to sit in the Third Temple if it gets built, according to the Futurist eschatologic view of the end times. Go figure why anyone in their right minds then would want to built it. Is it necessary would be the question being begged.

Micah 6: 7-8 spell out what is required of us. No temple necessary as far as I can tell. This may offend some but that is the controversy (and juicy debate that Brown could stir up !).

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Re: Plot Of The Solomon Key new [Re: Sephia]
      #5310 - 10/27/05 01:46 PM