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The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup!
      #6303 - 01/24/06 10:09 AM

I think we can all agree on that...

Or can we?

Those who do not believe in the "Sang Real", presumably believe that the Grail is, in fact, a cup. If that is correct, where is this cup now?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6304 - 01/24/06 02:25 PM

In catholic terms it is a cup but some researcher and analyst had said it is not but those analyst is not so certain if you want to know more about Jesus if you have sometimes the best site are http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl.html or if you want to know more religion http://www.metareligion.com

Do not be surprise to know if you are a christian

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: isoscent]
      #6310 - 01/24/06 07:37 PM

I think it's a quail and something went wrong over the years.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Dazzle]
      #6313 - 01/24/06 10:33 PM

Thanks for the links isoscent. What is *your* opinion: is it a cup... or not?

Dazzle's view that the grail is a quail, is actually quite a recent idea: the idea being that the "San Greal" was actually an ancient prophecy about the second coming. The new messiah would be named something similiar to "San Grail" . In recent years, people have been wondering if that prophecy could point to one named "Dan Quayle"; hence the confusion with the word "quail"...

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6315 - 01/25/06 12:46 AM

Of course, it's Dan Quayle's ignorance over the letter 'e' (i.e. potatoe) that gave him his name which was, of course, Quayl; a Chaucerian tribute.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Dazzle]
      #6322 - 01/25/06 08:56 AM

Precisely, and has as recently come to light, Chaucer was himself once a Grand Master of The Priory of Sion.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6324 - 01/25/06 02:59 PM

Based on Dan's Book it is not a cup he seems to elaborate. But for me The word Holy Grail as based in history of it, the word in terms of Catholic side (which the Clergy used on the said holy mass) simply is a cup. But as we have had entertained but Dan's book we were bit confused. But nothing's really different. Even Jesus himself really an ordinary man based upon my research and it was the Roman makes it different.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6325 - 01/25/06 06:46 PM

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Remarkable said:
Precisely, and has as recently come to light, Chaucer was himself once a Grand Master of The Priory of Sion.




Hmmmm... I now wonder if it's a coincidence that 'Canterbury Tales' and 'Holy Grail' rhyme...

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: MsVetra]
      #6326 - 01/25/06 07:01 PM

It may not be a coincidence. Some people who have studied ancient runes, believe the words "tale" and "grail" share the same old Norse route, and both words are widely used in 13th century incantations.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6332 - 01/25/06 11:29 PM

What about the theory as given in the topic 'The Grail explained (on the resurrection)' Not a cup there either.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Dammie]
      #6336 - 01/26/06 04:51 AM

You're right, Dammie

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6354 - 01/26/06 07:01 PM

The Grail could be the Earth itself...

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: christitan]
      #6369 - 01/27/06 08:01 AM

Or the sun and the moon in the sky?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6538 - 02/01/06 09:30 AM

well I dont think we will ever know what it is and we all have our own interpretation for it. I don't believe that the holy grail is something as simplistic as a cup but i can't say that Dan Brown is right.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Isabelle]
      #6546 - 02/02/06 12:34 AM

Isabelle

Some think the Holy Grail is an allegory for the Ark of the Covenant. See Graham Hancock's 'The Sign and the Seal' for a very plausible argument; also John J. Robinson's 'Born In Blood' about the Freemasons as heirs to the Knights Templar, who carried on the knowledge about this allegory.

It all came down to whether a Third Temple, containing said Ark, is to be rebuilt in Jerusalem, or is even necessary. See the thread on this in the 'Solomon Key' portion of the main index on this website.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: EVDebs]
      #6551 - 02/02/06 01:25 AM

The Ark of the Covenant is buried in the UK, not in Paris.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6558 - 02/02/06 06:08 AM

I thought it was somewhere in Africa?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: EVDebs]
      #6565 - 02/02/06 12:21 PM

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EVDebs said:
Isabelle

Some think the Holy Grail is an allegory for the Ark of the Covenant. See Graham Hancock's 'The Sign and the Seal' for a very plausible argument; also John J. Robinson's 'Born In Blood' about the Freemasons as heirs to the Knights Templar, who carried on the knowledge about this allegory.

It all came down to whether a Third Temple, containing said Ark, is to be rebuilt in Jerusalem, or is even necessary. See the thread on this in the 'Solomon Key' portion of the main index on this website.




Hi EV,
Can you quote the relevant passage in GH's book, re, The AOTC=THG ?
Robinson's book is similar to GH's in that it is speculative. With all due repect EV I find your answer a little disingenuous. The primary literary sources speaking cryptically regarding the nature of THG describe it variously in the singular and the plural, and in a five-fold manifestation. Whatever, it is primarily a pagan/Christian 'thing' having no place in a temple in Jerusalem, or anywhere else for that matter!
Few are those called to the Grail by name .
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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Sephia]
      #6569 - 02/02/06 10:27 PM

Quote:

Sephia said:
I thought it was somewhere in Africa?




For every relic, there's another ten. That John the Baptist, sounds like something out of a fantasy tale, since he appears to have had about five heads.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: RoseyORyan]
      #6570 - 02/03/06 01:12 AM

Rosey and EV
Can someone tell me in Born in Blood where it mentions the Ark as being an allegory? I've read it 3 times and can't remember that.

Can't comment on Sign & Seal--got 30 pages into it and it went way over the deep end for me, and couldn't finish it. But did not find it anyway simular to BiB.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: ktmason]
      #6573 - 02/03/06 04:17 AM

All
If I may, and I mean no one disrespect, but the ark IS an ark. At least according to Freemasonry & the Bible.

In the Royal Arch degree, it figures prominately. No implacation of any sort is in that degree that it is anything but real.

Additionally, consider this: hundreds of years BEFORE Christ the Hebrews used it to help in their battles. If it was an allegory, what allegory was it since the "bloodline" had not yet been established? Too, IF the ark was the bloodline, then what was out in front of the Hebrews?

To me, it doesn't make much sense. One more thing--its still in the Middle East. Why? It was created FOR the Hebrews. In my mind, I really can not see God allowing it out. Remember, it HAD magical (or, better, Devine) powers that helped in all the battles...in my mind, if someone attempted to move it........

Thoughts?

TRIVIA: what is contained IN the Ark?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: ktmason]
      #6575 - 02/03/06 06:03 AM

Correction: The Ark of the Covenant is actually buried in Ireland, not in the UK...

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The DVC Trailer (Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup!) new [Re: Remarkable]
      #6583 - 02/05/06 06:18 AM

The Holy Grail is not a cup - and it's probably also not merely the Lineage of Jesus and the Womb of Mary Magdalene as claimed by DB and his sources.

This is a good thread to throw a question about this out there. If you watch the trailer for the hyped upcoming movie on the DVC (available here for instance: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10509652/site/newsweek/ ) you will hear the voice-over say the following things:

"We are in the middle of a war, one that's been going on forever. To protect a secret so powerful, that if revealed - it would devastate the very foundations of mankind." Also, "this is the greatest conspiracy of all time."

Sure, this is basically just more hype to sell tickets, but aren't those superlative announcements just a bit too grandiose? The revelation that Jesus had children would NOT "devastate the very foundations of mankind" today, and it hadn't. This is not THE greatest conspiracy of "all time" (as surely the stuff from the Necronomicon, for one, would be bigger) and it has NOT been "going on forever", but for less than two thousand years at best.

So I've been wondering if I'm just seeing things here, or is somebody "behind the scenes" really trying to hint that the Grail is something more than what DB said, thereby making it meaningful to more people in the world today than the relatively small amount of staunch Christians.

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The DVC Trailer (Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup!) new [Re: Sol]
      #6592 - 02/05/06 07:33 PM

For me the Grail is explained in www.world-mysteries.com/PhilipGardiner/forbidden_letters2.htm
There is a link (on top) to part 1 (The original Forbidden Letters).

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Dammie]
      #6796 - 02/19/06 11:27 AM

I like the idea that the grail is the holy bloodline... it's only logical, really, that Jesus at some point would have... how should I put this? eh... united with Magdeline... after all, what made Jesus Jesus was that he was not a god, he was part human, and thus he would have experienced the same temptations as the rest of us. And plus, celebacy wasn't part of Christianity or Judaism in Christs time, as DVC mentions.

Although, "Sangreal" could still be taken as "Sang Real" according to some historian or religious guy or something I saw on a tv show about the DVC, who suggested that the Grail was a dish used to collect blood from the stab wound in Jesus's side as he hung on the cross - it's still Royal Blood... just not a royal bloodline...

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Draven]
      #6803 - 02/19/06 11:59 PM

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Draven said:
celebacy wasn't part of Christianity or Judaism in Christs time, as DVC mentions.




Draven, Christianity didn't exist in Christ's time.

His teachings, which were in contrast to those of Judaism, are more likely to have come from Hinduism, where there is a plausible argument for his being educated in India.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Dazzle]
      #6807 - 02/20/06 03:46 AM

Dazzle, I apologise, you're obviously right about Christianity not existing during Christ's lifetime, stupid mistake on my part lol

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: ktmason]
      #7016 - 02/24/06 04:24 PM

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ktmason said:
TRIVIA: what is contained IN the Ark?




Scrolls, scriptures I'd say written by Essenes/Qumranians. Tablets of the Commandments. Maybe the Assumption of Moses. Simply put, Gnosticism at it's finest.

Well that's what I envision anyway.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Vitrie]
      #7112 - 03/01/06 05:19 PM

I just finished reading the book and found this website tonite so I'm kinda new to the board but I personally do agree w/ brown about the grail not being a cup. I can't wait for the movie and I honestly belive if the conspiracy of christ having a bloodline is true that it would destroy the foundation of the church. I mean we're talking about a full two thousand years full of nothing but lies. By Jesus having a bloodline that would not make him so 'Divine'. Why would you want to send your prayers to an ordinary man: a man capable of sin, wrong-doing and greed and not to someone who is blessed by god's divinity?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #8532 - 12/08/06 06:34 AM

Nobody knows, because the secret is beeing kept by the priory of sion...

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #8542 - 12/10/06 07:25 AM

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Remarkable said:
I think we can all agree on that...

Or can we?

Those who do not believe in the "Sang Real", presumably believe that the Grail is, in fact, a cup. If that is correct, where is this cup now?



I have it.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Berzelmayr]
      #8593 - 01/21/07 10:14 PM

I agree that the holy grail is not a cup.

Perhaps the Holy Grail is forbidden knowledge. In that way it could tie in with the divine (or not so divine?) feminine, pandoras box and it could explain the coming of the end of this age. Or something like that.

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #8734 - 05/18/07 04:37 AM

The puzzles presented in the Da Vinci Code and Angels and Demons intrigue me. Dan Brown gave a great explanation of how the Templars used cleverly disguised anagrams, and hid them in public places.
When I later read Holy Blood and the Holy Grail, I wanted to try more. I read about the mystery sculpture, a Reverse bas relief of a Poussin painting, at Shugborough House in England Unbreakable Code it says that the code can not be broken, its inscription DOUOSVAVVM could not be deciphered.

I tried to solve this puzzle and thought. What if the inscription was a Templar clue, a pointer to something else on the path to the grail?. Why was the bas relief done as reverse of the painting? Why was a casket added, what did it hide? There seemed to be a clue in another place, one with Templar connections and showing the "pyramid". It was a headstone with the date incorrectly carved.

It took me four hours to solve the puzzle using that approach. Here is my solution to the indecipherable inscription:

The Shepherd’s Monument Mystery – Solved.
I will not go into all of the references, they can easily be found on the Internet. I would suggest looking at the pictures of the objects mentioned.

Background Information (not in order)
Village of Rennes-le-Chateau is perched on a rocky outcrop.
Antoine Bigou miscarved the date MDCCLXXXI (1781) as MDCOLXXXI. He changed C to O (not a Roman Numeral). His uncle preceded Sauniere as abbot at Rennes-de-Chateau. Carved Headstone
Poussin painted Les Bergers d’Acadie (1635-50) – the title is French, Poussin was a Templar Grand Master. Poussin Painting
Sauniere discovered a parchment (1891) which read, in part, “Shepherdess…Poussin…KEY…”
Quote:

Shepherdess no temptation. That Poussin [and] Teniers keep the key. Peace 681. By the cross and this horse of God. I finish off this guardian daemon at midday. Blue apples"




Location in the Poussin painting is Les Pointls, near Rennes-le-Chateau.
A reverse bas relief carving of Les Bergers d’Acadie, by Stuart is located at Shugborough house near Staffordshire England (1755) Reversed Carving
There are eight letters on one line of the bas relief, two letters on next line
Sauniere decoded the messages and found the Grail even though he was not a Templar initiate – he did not possess the esoteric knowledge thought to be needed.

Solution (Order of learning the clues is unimportant):
Poussin painted Les Bergers d’Acadie, it depicts a shepherdess. CLUE
Sauniere parchment refers to Poussin KEY # 1
Location can be determined now, if you have KEY #1, and access to painting.

Bas relief in England is a “REVERSE” of Poussin’s painting. CLUE
There are 10 letters on inscription, eight on one line. CLUE
Bas relief adds a casket obscuring view of Rennes le Chateau. CLUE
Bigou replaced C with O KEY # 2

To solve:
Read the word REVERSED (i.e. upside down and mirrored) Now, REVERSE what Bigou did - replace O with C in the eight-letter word.
The modified line now looks like:

AAVASCNC
This is an anagram, in French: "Ca Canvas” meaning (That Picture).The bas-relief in England is obscuring the location of the Holy Grail in France. You need to see the original painting to find the right location after you find KEY #2. D and M seem to be meaningless, outside the clue. This clue is pointing the way, a path to the grail.Done in classic Templar style.

Obviously
The Grail can be found without the bas relief, if you have KEY # 1
The Grail can be found without the parchment, if you have KEY # 2.

Next Puzzle to Look for: Do the carvings show a "Path to the Grail" similar to the "Path of Illumination" in Rome?" Both prominently show pyramids.
Casket shown in bas relief by Stuart (1755) has a pyramid on top of it.
Mis dated headstone by Bigou (1781) has triangular peak top (pyramid).
Is headstone of 1781 a replacement key for the 1755 bas relief? Where is the old key? ca 1755?

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Re: The Holy Grail Is NOT A Cup! new [Re: Remarkable]
      #8792 - 07/22/07 03:35 AM

I think the holy grail is many things,one being sacred geometry.

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