AAnnAArchy
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Langdon and Teabing disagree as to whether the Sangreal documents should be released to the world. If you were the Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, would you release the documents? If so, what do you think their effect would be?
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Mudpuppy
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As Victor (I believe it was Victor) pointed out in another thread, secrets are just a disservice and an insult to the world. Would aspects of the Catholic faith be shattered if it was revealed that Jesus had fathered a child? Sure. However, it would also make the concept of "Christ" much more appealing to a number of people, and would perhaps allow the church to appeal more to the average person. Priests could marry and lead lives which set good examples, and women could be part of the priesthood and help females feel less subjugated and alienated. I'll tell you this -- until I'm positive that all truths are on the table (to the best of anyone's knowledge), I'll never even consider adding religion to my life. How can I trust a group of people who deliberately lie and deceive on a regular basis?
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Victor
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>>How can I trust a group of people who deliberately lie and deceive on a regular basis? <<
And that's the point exactly. Rather than being about spirituality and search for truth, religions are about money, power and secrets in a male centered society.
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Devildog
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I honestly don't know if I would release the documents. Having grown up Catholic in every way possible, there is a small part of me that worries about the impact these documents have on a system of beliefs I was taught as far back as I can remember. However, there is also a part of me that believes information should not be kept in the dark. If we are to truly make informed decisions in life, then we need to be fully educated. This is the basis of my dilemma. I think releasing the documents would be a good thing because they are eye-opening and would help us gain new understanding and insight into Christ's life. However, I also believe that releasing the documents would, for other people, be a crushing blow. People accept many teachings of the Church on blind faith and hold firmly to it. For these people, the release of the documents could shatter their religious foundations and set them on a path of uncertainty. For me, I would like to release the documents, but I may act to control the flow and timing of the information.
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TahoeT
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I honestly don't know if I would release the documents. Having grown up Catholic in every way possible, there is a small part of me that worries about the impact these documents have on a system of beliefs I was taught as far back as I can remember. However, there is also a part of me that believes information should not be kept in the dark. If we are to truly make informed decisions in life, then we need to be fully educated. This is the basis of my dilemma. I think releasing the documents would be a good thing because they are eye-opening and would help us gain new understanding and insight into Christ's life. However, I also believe that releasing the documents would, for other people, be a crushing blow. People accept many teachings of the Church on blind faith and hold firmly to it. For these people, the release of the documents could shatter their religious foundations and set them on a path of uncertainty. For me, I would like to release the documents, but I may act to control the flow and timing of the information.
Another instance of the right to know! <g>
I, too, was raised Catholic - Parochial School, Altar Boy (back when the Mass was still in Latin!) and had a hard time dealing with what I was being told, and what I was seeing with my own eyes. What the Church was saying, and what the Church was actually doing...
You're correct that if there were such documents, their release "could shatter their religious foundations and set them on a path of uncertainty." At the risk of sounding cold-hearted... so be it.
And to be perfectly honest, I don't see the collapse of religion as we know it to be a bad thing. To me, it is much worse to blindly follow than it is to know the truth.
And, there are probably untold millions who wouldn't believe it even if the Pope said it was true. People believe what they want to believe regardless of the evidence in front of them.
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kennys2006
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I agree, however I'm not so light footed on just letting them out and if it shatters religion's foundation let it. I don't think that would happen anyway. However, I think that it's something that needs to be out there. It's all about what he's said throughout his books, history is shaped by the winners. I think that you should step back and think.. ok this story is historical, but is it historically true. I think you need to put every CORRECT aspect into the Bible, not just what they think is right. They are not God.
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Sephia
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It really could shatter the religion...is there a way to make it publically known to the scholars, etc, without allerting the common Catholic believer?
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TahoeT
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kennys2006 said:
I agree, however I'm not so light footed on just letting them out and if it shatters religion's foundation let it. I don't think that would happen anyway. However, I think that it's something that needs to be out there. It's all about what he's said throughout his books, history is shaped by the winners. I think that you should step back and think.. ok this story is historical, but is it historically true. I think you need to put every CORRECT aspect into the Bible, not just what they think is right. They are not God.
If you don't think it would happen anyway, there's no reason for keeping it secret, is there??? ;-)
It's pretty much impossible to put the bible into historical context, because what is there has been manipulated into being. The Bible as we know it was constructed 400 years after Christ's death. this isn't stuff that was done while there was memory of the living person - it was centuries later when the Catholic Church was gaining and shaping its power.
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TahoeT
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Sephia said:
It really could shatter the religion...is there a way to make it publically known to the scholars, etc, without allerting the common Catholic believer?
So what is wrong with shattering the religion? Heck - we've (so far, anyway) endured GW Bush as president.
I totally disagree with allowing "scholars" access but leaving the mainstream ignorant. What good is information in the hands of a few - especially if that information holds the key to the basic belief of millions?
No - we ALL deserve to know what is going on - and make our choices in life based upon knowlwdge, not superstition.
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Sephia
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I meant letting it be known to any who WANT to know it, not an elite group of scholars. I think that if you don't want to know about it, don't. So, it should be out there for people to know about, but at the same time, we shouldn't broadcast it at the tops of our lungs.
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