MJK
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I'm half way through my second read of the Da Vinci code and I think I've found a reference to the Grail in a rock song by a famous band, from before 2003 when the book was published. I'd be interested if anyone else has found a reference in popular culture.
If we are to take The Da Vinci Code's absolute word on the matter (and this is not an invitation to champion or debunk Dan Brown's research - we can do that in another thread ) then let me mention certain points made in the book by the Teabing and Langdon characters while in Teabing's Chateau and elsewhere in the book.
1. The Priory of Sion worshipped Mary Magdalene as a goddess, and linked it to worship of the sacred female, Mother Earth and nature.
2. They were also charged with keeping the true nature of the grail secret by never revealing it's actual contents making it hard to prove, however secrets leaked out and were told to us in myths and through art and metaphor (Disney, Da Vinci, Motzart, Victor Hugo et al).
3. The Grail, i.e. the documents and resting place of Mary Magdalene, is said to have been moved many times in it's history.
4. Those who have been to the Grail fell to their knees and worshipped it. Few have, making these people rare.
Consider the lyrics and song title for Magdalena by A Perfect Circle, copied and pasted here.
Overcome by your moving temple
Overcome by this holiest of altars
So pure, so rare to witness such an earthly goddess
That I've lost my self control beyond compelled to throw this dollar
Down before your holiest of altars
I'd sell my soul my self esteem a dollar at a time
For one chance one kiss one taste of you my Magdalena
I bear witness to this place this prayer so long forgotten
So pure so rare to witness such an earthly goddess
That I'd sell my soul my self esteem a dollar at a time
For one chance one kiss one taste of you my black Madonna
I'd sell my soul my self esteem a dollar at a time
One taste one taste one taste of you my Magdalena
It almost seems like the writer of these lyrics (either guitarist and main writer Billy Howerdell or singer Maynard James Keenan) is dreaming of the quest and moment he sees the Grail for the first time.
There follows, on the same album, a song called Rose, which I think hints at the conflict between the Church and the Priory of Sion/believers in this story of the Grail (symbolised by the rose). The lyrics aren't as direct as Magdalena's are and a quick look at people's interpretations online suggests being victorious after any oppressive relationship. They could easily be right, or at least more right than I am. Here are the lyrics...
Don't disturb the beast, the temperamental
Goat, the snail while he's feeding on the
Rose, stay frozen, compromise what
I will, I am
Bend around the wind, silently
Blown about again, I'm treading so
Soft and lightly, compromising
My will, I am
I am, I will, so no longer
Will I lay down, play dead, play your
Doe in the headlights, locked down and terrified, your
Deer, in the headlights, shot down and horrified when
Push comes to pull comes to shove comes to step around this
Self-destructive dance that never would've ended till
I rose, I roared aloud here
I will, I am
I am, I will, so no longer
Will I lay down, play dead, play this
Knee down, gun-shy, martyr, pitiful
I rose, I roared, I will, I am
As a fan of popular music (not pop music) and the Da Vinci Code, it was only a matter of time before I wandered if any bands had wrote songs about the Grail and these two came straight to mind. A Perfect Circle, and the singer's other band Tool (For whom he writes the lyrics) may not be to everybody's taste; they're often heavy and some of their subject matter is better discussed in their own forums. That said, they're also complex and progressive in a Pink Floyd way, the Tool videos are done in amazing model animation, the lyrics are always good and often mind-blowing and it is a sin against music not to listen to the singer on these two songs, singing like honey-drenched early evening sunshine one moment, whispered urgency the next and then with gutwrenching strength and rawness. The two songs mentioned are not particularly heavy.
a perfect circle
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dedknedy
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Maynard Keenan kicks ass.
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AAnnAArchy
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Interesting stuff MJK. Sorry I don't have anything to add to it. Did you do a search for the songs or did you already know about them?
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mike713
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APC and Tool! rock
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MJK
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Re AAnnAArchy's post, I already knew about the songs. After reading the Da Vinci Code, I thought about the references in art to the Grail legend mentioned on page 249 (UK paperback release) and wondered if any rock bands have ever sung about it. It took me about three seconds to decide that Magdalena was definitely about the Grail. I'm a huge fan of APC and Tool, and their lyrics are packed with bizarre references to religion and sex, along with Jungian theories and topics borrowed from comedian Bill Hicks and expanded upon. I figured that if any band had ever wrote a song about the Grail, it would be Tool or A Perfect Circle. Funnily enough, the singer is a prankster too (you don't need me to tell you that Dan Brown suggests Da Vinci was the biggest prankster of them all). He tells lies in interviews just to see if the gullible public believe him (and most do, including myself until I was told that half of what he says is BS).
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MJK
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Found new possible information that the song mentioned above "Magdalena" is about Dan Brown's version of the Holy Grail myth. I'm quoting quite a large section from a Christmas present, The Da Vinci Code Decoded which attempts to pick apart the truth from the fiction in The Da Vinci Code and expand upon the possible truths. Page 59, part of Chapter 3 - The Davidic and Merovingian Bloodlines
The Conclusion There can be little reasonable doubt that Jesus was actually married. As we will see in Chapter Eight on the marriage of Jesus Christ, the heir to the Davidic line was required by law to marry. Not only that - they were required to sire at least two sons (an "heir and a spare," as they say about the British Royal Family.) Such present-day lifestyle choices as live-in partners or single-sexed relationships simply did not exist in first century Judea. Marriage for those of the Davidic line was ritualized to the extent of making redundant any necessity for romanticism. The necessity of continuing the survival of the line in such a rural and, at the time persecuted community was paramount to all. Jesus and his wife, Mary magdalene, after fleeing from the Holy Land, had several children who were brought up in a Jewish community in southern France ... In the fifth century, it seems that the decendants of these children married into the royal line of the Franks, bringing about the Merovingian dynasty.
Jump forward a couple of paragraphs...
Thus the Holy Grail had two simultaneous identities. The first was that of the "Sang Real": the "Real" or "Royal" blood of which the Knights Templar were the guardians. Second, it would have been the vessel or receptacle of Jesus' blood (or rather semen) - that is, the womb of Mary Magdalene. Thus many of the churches that are supposedly dedicated to the "Virgin" Mary in the form of "Black Virgins" or "Black Madonnas" were in fact been dedicated to the Magdalene.
This answers nicely the puzzling line in the song (third from the end as typed above) where the word "Magdalena" was replaced by "Black Madonna".
Let me say that I strongly recommend this book, which condenses a lot of research into a mere 158 pages. It is an essential companion to The Da Vinci Code.
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MJK said: The Conclusion There can be little reasonable doubt that Jesus was actually married. As we will see in Chapter Eight on the marriage of Jesus Christ, the heir to the Davidic line was required by law to marry.
The conclusion comes before the chapters? And what's the proof that it offers that Jesus was actually married?
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MJK
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The chapter I have quoted from discusses the bloodline of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, not their marriage, and asks us to take on faith, until later chapters, that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married to each other. I quoted the book to back up my theory about a rock song.
While I don't feel like quoting word for word huge sections of the book, I will type up this little bit regarding Jesus' marriage to Mary Magdalene.
Cana was a small ancient town in Galilee where Christ attended a marriage feast during which he is said to have performed his first miracle of changing water into wine. Mary also attended the wedding feast, and asked Jesus to replenish the supply of wine. Mary told the servants to do whatever Jesus wanted them to do. The servants responded as if they felt it natural for Jesus and Mary to give them orders. However, it seems improbable that two guests at a wedding feast would take upon themselves the responsibility of ensuring that there was sufficient wine. It also seems unlikely that Jesus would use this opportunity to perform his first miracle as some kind of "party trick." It is far more likely that this was the marriage of Jesus, and he was responsible for providing more wine. Also, the Gospel of St. John 2:9-10 reports that the "Governor of the Feast," whose role was perhaps similar to that of the present-day Best Man, tastes the wine: "the governor of the feast called the bridegroom. And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when the men have well drunk, then that which is worst; but thou has kept the good wine till now." He must have been addressing Jesus as the provider of the wine, and therefore the bridegroom.
The book I quote from, in my opinion, now that I have nearly finished it, does not disect The Da Vinci Code as thoroughly as I would have hoped. The theories that Dan Brown puts forward are supported rather than dismantled and I was left thinking, "but I thought that bit was blatantly wrong". Admittedly, the things that I believe to be wrong about The Da Vinci Code are trivial, such as the geography of Paris, and the presence of "containment security" in The Louvre. It also threw in some other theories that seemed to good for Dan Brown to have left out. Maybe Dan Brown hadn't heard about them or had edited them out (being as guilty as Constantine then of not giving us the full truth, but there again, Dan Brown wasn't writing a history text book, he was writing fiction). Anyway, this'll have all you conspiracy buffs in a frenzy - Jesus had a twin called Thomas. If this fact could ever be proven, bang goes the entire Christian faith. How could Jesus be the son of God if he had a mortal twin brother. Take a look at The Last Supper again and look how similar Jesus looks to the guy sat next to the end. The Da Vinci Code Decoded also posits that Jesus was a freedom fighter (Messiah meaning saviour in an entirely different context) and his entrance into Jerusalem on a donkey during passover was a clear sign to the Romans, who had abolished the Jewish monarchy, that he was out to cause a stir. You see, according to The Da Vinci Code Decoded, the custom was that every king from the Davidic line entered Jerusalem on a donkey, during passover, shortly before his coronation. He was basically giving a big middle finger to Pontious Pilate. Jesus' crime was "King of The Jews" and it really was that crime that got him killed. No Jew was responsible for that, it was all the Romans' fault. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mel Gibson!!
Please bear in mind that these are theories, and should be treated as such. If you look at them as truth, then you might as well just set up a religion based on it. Question everything. Trust nothing, but accept that they may be the truth, or at least more truthful than the watered down Christainity perpetrated by thousands of people since, for their own personal/political reasons. Example, I was once told by a Mormon that Jesus turned water into grapejuice. Grapejuice?!?? F***ing GRAPEJUICE!?!?? Do me a favour, go home tonight, re-read the bible, and then tell me that 2000 years ago, the people of Galilee knew the difference between grapejuice and wine!
I'm interested in this sort of thing because I was Christian, a member of the Church of the New Jerusalem, a.k.a. Swedenborgian Church. As an armchair searcher of truth, I know that the search will never end, but I'm enjoying every single theory I come across. Something not mentioned in either book is the possibility that Jesus survived the crucifixion (others have), and went on to preach in India!
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MJK said: Something not mentioned in either book is the possibility that Jesus survived the crucifixion (others have), and went on to preach in India!
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MJK
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Errata: I quoted from The Da Vinci Code Decoded. I have found the quote to be inaccurate. A quick look at the relevant chapter in the Bible (John 2:1-2 www.bible.com) and some info in a new book I have bought The Rough Guide to The Da Vinci Code tells us that it was The Blessed Virgin Mary (BVM by FT standards), Mother of Jesus, not Mary Magdalene, who attended the marriage. I suppose we shall just have to rely on The Gnostic Gospels to tell us, according to Dan Brown, that Mary Magdalene was really married to Jesus.
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Cana was a small ancient town in Galilee where Christ attended a marriage feast during which he is said to have performed his first miracle of changing water into wine. Mary also attended the wedding feast, and asked Jesus to replenish the supply of wine.
Also, my new book points to Mark 6:3 to show that the BVM certainly didn't stay a virgin for very long. How many Christians knew that?
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3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
And another interesting snippet of information:
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Page 39 The Rough Guide To The Da Vinci Code
The Resurrection and the Virgin Birth: What Christians believe today
According to surveys conducted in the last four years, 95% of Christians in the United States believed in the resurrection, but only 67% of American church leaders do. In Britain only 47% of Christians believe in the resurrection, but among the Church of England clergy 66% believe. Women clergy in the Church of England are more sceptical than men: only half believe in the resurrection, and while half of all Church of England clergy believe in the Virgin Birth, only a third of female clergy do.
I just love trivia.
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lol...looks like Mary was much more busy than we give her credit for.... five sons and a few daughters...wow.
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MJK
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Delve deeper
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yeah. Much of that info was in their book, "The Templar Revelation". Weird.
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