kennys2006
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Actually, I don't believe there was one. I just think it's kinda crazy they think one bullet can go through two people.  What do you guys think?
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Mudpuppy
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This has definitely been a hot topic in the news this week. I know Tim and Victor probably have some better thoughts on this than I do. My big questions are about Jack Ruby -- I think his role in everything was awfully "convenient".
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Victor
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Actually, I don't believe there was one. I just think it's kinda crazy they think one bullet can go through two people. What do you guys think?
Hi Kenny...it's not so much a single bullet could go through two people...it's the trajectory it would have had to follow to have ONE bullet make SEVEN wounds in TWO people. At various instances the bullet would have had to make several left and right turns. Impossible..totally impossible.
Governor John Connelly's wife, who is the ONLY living person who was in the car that day, was on the news last week with Dan Rather talking about this. She said she testified to the Warren Commision and told them then several time, she didn't care WHAT they were saying, it just plain wasn't true. No one listened to her. She wrote a book (sorry, but I can't remember the name) specifically for her grandchildren so they would know the truth of what happened that day from someone who was in the car.
And yes, I do think there was a conspiracy. I've never believed Oswald acted alone.
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TahoeT
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kennys2006 said:
Actually, I don't believe there was one. I just think it's kinda crazy they think one bullet can go through two people. What do you guys think?
It's one of those times that is embedded in my memory much, much deeper than even 9/11 will ever be.
I *do* think there is more to the Warren Commission Report than I will see in my lifetime - and I'm only 51. major cover-up of something. the who's and how's I have no idea. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but this one...?????
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kennys2006
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kennys2006 said:
Actually, I don't believe there was one. I just think it's kinda crazy they think one bullet can go through two people. What do you guys think?
It's one of those times that is embedded in my memory much, much deeper than even 9/11 will ever be.
I *do* think there is more to the Warren Commission Report than I will see in my lifetime - and I'm only 51. major cover-up of something. the who's and how's I have no idea. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but this one...?????
Yeah pretty interesting. My aunt who is 56 told me about it and it seems to be remembered by lots of mystery, and it is horrible that it is. In times like these, you normally want to know everything that happened and the time frame plotted. Interesting to say the least.
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Sephia
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I saw a show about it recently, pretty vague. One bullet can make that many wounds, if it is the kind that explodes inside you, or,if it is the one that (is illegal in US) and it ricochets a lot, bouncing off bones rather than going through them. However, I am not sure if the latter was invented yet...it is pretty new, i think.
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Zirias
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It's no doubt an event where conspiracy theories sound a lot more plausible than the official version. I think it's one of the few, where belief in conspiracy doesn't look ridiculous. The theories about studio faked moon landing or non-existent planes at WTC and Pentagon, they are ridiculous and kind of easy to disprove. However JFK murder WILL stay obscure, I think.
Greets, Ziri
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Gawhd
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I have almost convinced myself that JFK was murdered by the Mafia, which family i do not know. The fact is that the Mafia was responsible for electing JFK. Im not certain what he won his election by, but from what Ive read, without their help he wouldn't had won. Anyways, after JFK took office he cracked down on organized crime, pretty much backstabbing the mob. I'd have him whacked if he did something like that to me too.
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WKShadow
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Something is covered up. I watched a show many years ago on the History channel, i think, which showed autopsy fotos, It was perported that those were faked. Probably so. I really don't know, and it's not that I don't care, but What of it, 40 years later, is it gonna change much to know the truth.
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BronzeRider
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The single bullet theory doesn't work. The Americn people believed, and had to trust in, the Warren Report. "Our government wouldn't lie to us", was common. But 41 years later, there has been a big wake-up call.
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... but What of it, 40 years later, is it gonna change much to know the truth.
It sure will. We are not so naiev as we were in the 60's. And it is important to inform all future generations of this.
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WKShadow
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It sure will. We are not so naiev as we were in the 60's. And it is important to inform all future generations of this.
Knowing will do what. Edify what many believed? Make fools of others? What is the gain?
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BronzeRider
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It sure will. We are not so naiev as we were in the 60's. And it is important to inform all future generations of this.
Knowing will do what. Edify what many believed? Make fools of others? What is the gain?
If you believe in the single bullet theory - then no problem. But IF you don't then there are two questions:
The mafia made the hit. How did the mafia know the last minute changes to the presedential detail re-routing the car? That would imply that there was a mafia connection, a plant in the SS detail. ??
Or, there was no mafia involvement and the last minute change in the routing. That would suggest SS control, which means the government.
Of course it is important. To show presidence that this did happen in our country and never to be repeated. The public should be informed.
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TahoeT
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WK Shadow>>>Knowing will do what. Edify what many believed? Make fools of others? What is the gain? <<<
The *gain* is knowing the truth about what happened.
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Brookin
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I would like to add to this - I watched a programme on the BBC here in UK and they set up a compputerised map of dealy plaza and the knoll and showed that the three bullets and the wounds they left were all from the book depository and the head shot certainly came from behind. There is no way you can blow a hole of that size in the front right of a man's head from the front right. The programme showed the trajectory of the bullet from the book depository straight into the back of kennedy's head.
I used to be totally convinced of the triangulation of crossfire theory but after watching this programme - i felt kind of embarrassed that I had been "hoodwinked" by oliver stone and the popular theories. I am now totally in the corner of a lone gunman. What I am still unsure of is why oswald did it and whose orders he followed (if anyone's).
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sotpyrk
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How ironic is this topic on here I found. I just finished reading A&D, starting on DVC, and I wanted to find a decent forum on any of DB's books. And I found this one today. Great site.
Also today is the 41st anniversary of JFK's assassination.
Back when I was in college (80's) I read so many books on the theories, taped a lot of programs, etc. Just kinda got burned out. Just too much of a clean cut, and tight case the government put up. A lot of distrust toward the "government" started after this event and will continue to grow every year - about anything the "government" tells the people.
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UcAgent
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AH, ballistics are such a complecated subject
Please bear with me I'm trying to be informative and at the same time try to keep this as short as humanly possible:
Bullets can actually be very complecated, There are infact many different types of bullets that can "explode" inside of people. Some examples of these are "Frangable rounds", "soft bullets", and "Dum-Dum rounds". Most these bullets do not really explode (allthough there are some bullets that do contain explosives and do explode) Most bullets of this class simply expand or break apart when they penetrate something reasonably hard such as the inside of a human causing multiple(and often devisistating)
wounds.
Some of these bullets are illegal for use in the U.S. and some are not. Although all types of "exploding" bullets are "illegal" for use by military forces during wartime as they are prohibited by the Geneva Convention.
All types of "exploding" bullets were available in 1963.
Most police departments use "soft" bullets becuse the are less likely to go through a dangerous agressor and wound or kill an innocent bystander during a leathal force encounter than a standard "Full Metal Jacketed" military bullet.
"Exploding" bullets are designed so that they are not likey to go through more than one person so an "exploding" bullet coudn't have caused the wounds to both President Kennedy and Govenor Connoley. Although the Fatal headshot to President Kennedy is consistant with the perfdormance of an "exploding bullet". The "Majic bullet" and bullets "found" with the "Oswald" rifle were standard Full Metal Jacketed rounds that couuld penetrate more than one person and cause multiple injuries. The wounds to the chests of both President Kennedy and Govenoer Connoley were likely caused by a Full Metal Jacketed round,(or rounds) whereas the head shot to President Kenedy was more likely caused by an "exploding bullet"
Differen't types of bullets = 2 guns and discredit the lone guman theory? not necessarly, one gun can chamber both types of ammunition so long as it is made in the right calliber for the particular firearm.
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EVDebs
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That Oswald was an agent for US military intelligence, customs, and who knows what else, is shown in the new book
A Farewell To Justice by Joan Mellen
www.joanmellen.net/
Also, re the 'pristine' bullet a.k.a. the single-bullet theory, I understand that from '63 to sometime in the '70s, I think '75 when noneother than Geraldo Rivera on ABC (also then known as 'The CIA's Network' as Peter Jennings soon discovered when delving into a company related story), showed the Zapruder film, that tampering with the frames of the Zapruder film actually took place. That almost untouched bullet also miraculously appeared on the JFK hospital cart too, how convenient.
The amount of harassment the Garrison investigation got, not to mention surveillance from inside and out, is justification enough to say that US intelligence wanted to cover SOMETHING UP. Criky, what do you think that could possibly be ? I hear now that even the CIA's apologist Gerald Posner can't keep up the charade much longer.
BTW, his book from '93 uses Priscilla Johnson McMillan's book as gospel and a major source of info. Jeepers, did anyone check to see if she had any CIA connections ?
http://www.jfk-info.com/pjm-cia.htm
As far as ballistics, the limousine JFK et al were riding in was destroyed at LBJ's instructions, the murder should have had Dallas jurisdiction--but did not, nor did the autopsy, as the body was forcibly removed to Washington DC.
The photos of the head wounds don't show the entire BACK of JFK's head was blown out leaving a 'flap-like' area at the BACK of JFK's skull, see
http://www.assassinationscience.com/johncostella/jfk/intro/wound.html
"Even the skeptics had to agree that either the Zapruder film or the autopsy photos (or both) have to be forgeries"...
and
"In a thousand-word footnote in his 1980 book, Best Evidence, he (Lifton) argued that this tells us that the Zapruder film has been substantially altered, if not completely forged.
However, Lifton would have to wait nearly a quarter of a century for scientists to prove that he was right.
His (David Lifton's) hundred-page chapter in The Great Zapruder Film Hoax is a wonderful history of the Zapruder film, and the way it was used to convince the American public, over the past four decades."
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EVDebs
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Oh, 'Breach of Trust' is Posner's latest apologia for government/intell-community's involvement in the JFK assassination. This one admits to the crap in the Warren Commission Report was, ta-tah, really just crap after all. Duh, ya think ? After 'Case Closed', Posner reopens it himself and admits ... he swallowed the kool-aid.
It begs the question, 'how much is Operation Mockingbird paying this guy ?'
Edited by EVDebs (12/12/05 10:39 AM)
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