SeraphicRadiance
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Before reading A&D, All I knew about the Illuminati was all this New World Order business. After reading this book, I have a new understanding about them. But how much of it is fact? The scientist bit is definately true, but I have some questions that need verifying:
1. Was Galileo really an Illuminatus?
2. Was there actually a path of illumination?
3. Are the brands real?
4. Do the scientists have anything to do with the Bavarian Illuminati?
I am tired of wading through all the conspiracy theories on the internet. Who were the original Illuminati? what are the hard facts?
Thank you for your time.
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Salias
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There probably is a path of illumination, or do you think that all of those clues to the next altar of science were all just in perfect order forming a cross by coinsidence.
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Shadowglass
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Since Illuminati literally means 'enlightened ones' in Latin, it is natural that several unrelated historical groups have identified themselves as Illuminati. Often, this was due to claims of possessing gnostic texts or other arcane information not generally available.
The designation illuminati was also in use from the 14th century by the Brethren of the Free Spirit.
The one most commonly refered to, and the one that Dan uses is the Bavarian Illuminati a short-lived movement of republican freethinkers, the most radical offshoot of The Enlightenment, whose adherents were given the name Illuminati (but who called themselves "Perfectibilists"), was founded on May 1, 1776 by the ex-Jesuit Adam Weishaupt , professor of canon law, and Baron Adolph von Knigge, in Ingolstadt, Bavaria.
In 1784, the Bavarian government banned all secret societies including the Illuminati and the Freemasons. The structure of the Illuminati soon collapsed, but while it was in existence many influential intellectuals and progressive politicians counted themselves as members.
The order had its branches in most countries of the European continent, but its total numbers never seem to have exceeded two thousand. Internal rupture preceded its downfall, which was effected by an edict of the Bavarian government in 1785.
Very little reliable evidence can be found to suggest that Weishaupt's group survived into the 19th century. However, several groups have since used the name Illuminati to found their own rites, claiming to be the Illuminati. Such groups include the Grand Lodge Rockefeller of David Goldman (USA), Orden Illuminati of Gabriel López de Rojas (Spain), and The Illuminati Order of Solomon Tulbure (USA)
I'll stop here but if your still thirsting for more let me know.
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Shadowglass
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As far as the brands are concerned...did you ever wonder why they were in english. If the Path of Enlightnment was in Rome the whole time, Italian or Latin would make more sense
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Arras
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As far as the brands are concerned...did you ever wonder why they were in english. If the Path of Enlightnment was in Rome the whole time, Italian or Latin would make more sense
I believe this was answered in at least one other thread around here somewhere. The choice of English apparently had to do with the obscurity of that language at the time--the Illuminati's enemy was the Roman Catholic Church, which operated, as you say, in Latin and Italian. Writings in common languages would be easier to spot as treacherous, so in a way, the choice of English was a form of encryption (or at least steganography). Think of all the Westerners these days who wear tattoos of Oriental pictograms, knowing that very few people in the West will be able to recognize those symbols or interpret their meaning. By choosing a language not widely spoken in your area, you effectively end up with a sort of "secret writing".
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Onuris
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Shadowglass said:
As far as the brands are concerned...did you ever wonder why they were in english. If the Path of Enlightnment was in Rome the whole time, Italian or Latin would make more sense
I believe this was answered in at least one other thread around here somewhere. The choice of English apparently had to do with the obscurity of that language at the time--the Illuminati's enemy was the Roman Catholic Church, which operated, as you say, in Latin and Italian. Writings in common languages would be easier to spot as treacherous, so in a way, the choice of English was a form of encryption (or at least steganography). Think of all the Westerners these days who wear tattoos of Oriental pictograms, knowing that very few people in the West will be able to recognize those symbols or interpret their meaning. By choosing a language not widely spoken in your area, you effectively end up with a sort of "secret writing".
also, to buttress Arras' point, in the book Angels & Demons, Max Kohler states that English is the "language of science"
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Sephia
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actually, math has always been the language of science. that and some latin-ish stuff (like names of the elements). Note also that the sciences use the metric system, not the English or American one.
They called English the lingua pura in A&D simply because it is the furthest removed from Latin. French and Spanish are rather close to it, but English is not. For that matter, they could have used Russian. Or Zulu. Or any of a bunch of other non-Romantic languages. However, at the time, Europe was the center of the world, figurativly speaking,of course, and Italian, Spanish, French, and English were the most popular choices. Of those, English was the one chosen.
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Hayoroweu
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Does any one know if Galileo was actually an illuminatus?
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DHN
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At the highest levels of free masonry there are alleged to be the illuminati levels. My father was a 33 degree free mason and it goes back several genrations in my family. He was initiated into 'The Knights Templar' (to a degree, pardon the pun), and the 'Rosicrusians'. I asked him aboout the 'Illuminati' once, and he later said 'who is the Illuminati anyway?' After he died, I found a book in the back of his wardrobe, and the pages were binded in such a way that you had to use a knife to seperate them. Some of the pages he had read went into some depth about the 'Illuminati', so he was more than aware of their existence, so he must have at least known of them and for some reason try and deny any knowledge of them to me for some reason. He did answer some questions, cryptically about 'The All Seeing Eye' saying that 'there is only one God', also saying 'that you should fear if there is a God... not if there isn't one'. So he must have been concealing the truth from me I feel.
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RoseyORyan
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The so-called "Illuminati" were a bunch of chancers and, ultimately, LOSERS! Masquerading under the esoterically- sounding "Illuminati", Adam Weishaupt cajoled his naive disciples to infilterate various European lodges of Freemasonry in an attempt to steal their 'secrets' and thereby establish his own network of influence among the Chancellories of Europe, circa 1770.
Unfortunately, it all ended in tears in 1776. Still, there are some classic quotes to be gleaned in the exchanges between the conspirators. [See, Bavarian Govt. Archives].The rest is 'history'.
Dear DHN, The earliest forms of 'freemasonry' (being of a Jacobite nature) did not specify ONE god or MANY gods! Critical inquiry will provide each with their OWN god...but "which god" is the question.
As Ever,
Rosey 
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